Canon for BADD ANGST (Re: Spying Game Philosophy - The Phoenix must die!

[Jen Reese]

No: HPFGUIDX 81144

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "msbeadsley" <msbeadsley at y...> 
wrote:
> Sandy:
> I think the drastic and abrupt change in the way Dumbledore relates 
> to Fudge after Voldemort is "outed" is canon which may be 
interpreted 
> to support Pip's view. Dumbledore pretty overtly dictates to Fudge 
> what is going to happen next, creates an unauthorized Portkey in 
his 
> face and just trods right over Fudge's protests; Dumbledore seems 
to 
> me like a man who is satisfied that he finally has leverage for 
> making at least *one* (now formerly?) rather politically pivotal 
> person, Fudge, face some pretty obvious choices.
> 

Jen Reese:

Yes, this scene in the MOM does show the path Dumbledore took since 
the "parting of the ways" in GOF. But the above explanation doesn't 
take into account the canon that Dumbledore *attempted* to work 
within the political reality of the WW in the beginning, and that he 
*does* abide by a system of rules, albeit ancient ones that aren't 
always promoted by the MOM (POA and GOF, US versions):

Canon for Dumbledore working within the current WW political system:

POA p. 66: "Dumbledore isn't fond of the Azkaban guards," said Mr. 
Weasley heavily. "Nor am I, if it comes to that....but when you're 
dealing with a Wizard like Black {i.e., at that time considered LV's 
second in command}, *you sometimes have to join forces with those 
you'd rather avoid.*"
 
Emphasis mine. Isn't that DD's philosophy in a nutshell? Battle 
against Evil is a compromise at best--sometimes you have to give a 
little to get a little. DD doesn't want to have to deal with the 
Dementors, but he also has a desire to keep his students safe and see 
Black back in Azkaban. He's working within the system of the current 
WW.
 
p. 707, "Voldemort has returned," Dumbledore repeated. "If you accept 
that fact straight-away, Fudge, and take the necessary measures, we 
may still be able to save the situation."
 
DD once again attempting to working within the WW justice system 
FIRST, before the "parting of the ways."
 
p. 709, "The only one against whom I intend to work ," said 
Dumbledore, "is Lord Voldemort. If you are against him, then we 
remain, Cornelius, on the same side."
 
One final attempt to work with the MOM, within the confines of the 
system. This is also canon for Dumbledore's agenda--he is working 
against Voldemort.  If Fudge takes no side, and thus becomes one of 
those "good men who allow evil to triumph by doing nothing" then yes, 
Dumbledore will indirectly be working against Fudge.


Canon for Dumbledore's philosophy i.e. his *boundaries*:

POA p. 426, Dumbledore: "Hasn't your experience with the time-turner 
taught you anything, Harry? The consequences of our actions are 
always so complicated, so diverse, that predicting the future is very 
difficult indeed....."

Once again, philosophy in a nutshell: We can plan all we want, but 
time and choices constantly change, and thus we have to change with 
them. DD does not sound like someone who thinks he can rid the world 
of all evil!

p. 427, Dumbledore: ".....When one wizard saves another wizard's 
life, it creates a certain bond between them....This is magic at its 
deepest, most inpenetrable, Harry."
 
Philosophy again--the WW is imperfect, there is evil, but there is 
also a deep, underlying mystery that is more important than the 
philosophical differences and poor choices. Even an Evil wizard like 
Pettigrew is held accountable by his life-debt.

p. 256, Dumbledore speaking about the Goblet of Fire: "Once a 
champion has been selected by the Goblet of Fire, he or she is 
obliged to see the tournament through to the end. The placing of your 
name in the goblet constitutes a binding, magical contract." AND
p. 273, The scene where Harry's name comes out of the 
GOF, "Well...through the door, Harry" said Dumbledore. He wasn't 
smiling.

DD's philosopy at work--Dumbledore isn't happy Harry's name came out 
of the cup. Undoubtedly he's worried about him. But Harry is allowed 
to compete because DD works within the boundaries of a deeper mystery 
than his own agenda--a binding magical contract.


So, yes, I hope Fudge is a convert to understanding why they must 
bring Voldemort out in the open in order to "vanquish" him, but no, I 
don't think Dumbledore is going to violate his ethical code to 
transform the entire WW--he'll settle for Voldemort.

Jen