Death Eaters
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Tue Sep 23 06:03:16 UTC 2003
No: HPFGUIDX 81348
--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, eowynn_24 <eowynn_24 at y...>
wrote:
Eowynn:
<snip> I agree that Crouch Jr. was the most loyal servant and that
he had returned to LV service, however I do not believe that Snape
is one of the other two. Do we know for a fact that he wasn't there?
I can't find any canon to say he was at the tournament, only that he
was there after, and not until they reached Crouchs' office. There
is plenty of time for him to get back, and explain to DD what
happened and where he had been.
Bookworm:
So far I agree. I think JKR wants us to assume she meant Karkaroff
and Snape as the cowardly and missing DEs, but is heading in a
different direction. Snape know he would be called eventually
because of the dark mark on his arm, and could have discussed it
with DD previously. Not that he know when the call would come, but
contingency plans for when it did happen. And not all of the DEs
spoke or were named, so Snape could have been there without Harry
realizing it.
Eowynn:
So this is my theory, feel free to disagree.
Bookworm:
But, of course...<g>
Eowynn:
I believe that you have two options for the two missing DE, one is
Karkaroff, and the other is Lupin. Which one is which I haven't
quite figured out yet, mostly due to personal feelings. I hope that
it is Lupin who has left him forever, but am afraid he is the one
who was too cowardly to show up. ( second doubts now that Sirius is
back and he as heard how strong Harry is. Possibly hoping for the
second chance that Snape got.)Which leaves Karkaroff as the one who
will die, probably by the hand of a DE, he wasn't important enough
to be killed by LV. Any how those are my thoughts on the three
missing DE; Lupin, Crouch Jr, and Karkaroff.
Bookworm:
I think the third missing DE is Ludo Bagman, not Lupin. Remember
that Bagman was accused of being a DE, whined that he trusted his
boss, Rookwood, and was basically let off because of his Quidditch
fans in the Wizengamot. Also, look at the language of LV's
statement: "One, too cowardly to return...he will pay." When last
seen, Bagman was running from the goblins - now LV's allies -
because he couldn't *pay* his gambling debts.
That would make Karkaroff the "One, who I believe has left me
forever...he will be killed, of course." Earlier in GoF, Harry saw
Karkaroff show Snape how the mark on his arm was getting more
noticeable. Instead of interpreting this as Karkaroff
being "cowardly" about LV's return, what if he was worried about
LV's return because he had left LV's service and feared LV's
vengeance. It's a subtle difference, but I think he was afraid for
his life, while Bagman was just plain afraid.
Ravenclaw Bookworm
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