[HPforGrownups] Re: Death Eaters

[eowynn_24]

No: HPFGUIDX 81350



scoutmom21113 <navarro198 at hotmail.com> wrote:
--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, eowynn_24 <eowynn_24 at y...> 
wrote:
Eowynn:
<snip> I agree that Crouch Jr. was the most loyal servant and that 
he had returned to LV service, however I do not believe that Snape 
is one of the other two. Do we know for a fact that he wasn't there? 
I can't find any canon to say he was at the tournament, only that he 
was there after, and not until they reached Crouchs' office. There 
is plenty of time for him to get back, and explain to DD what 
happened and where he had been. 

Bookworm:
So far I agree.  I think JKR wants us to assume she meant Karkaroff 
and Snape as the cowardly and missing DEs, but is heading in a 
different direction.  Snape know he would be called eventually 
because of the dark mark on his arm, and could have discussed it 
with DD previously.  Not that he know when the call would come, but 
contingency plans for when it did happen. And not all of the DEs 
spoke or were named, so Snape could have been there without Harry 
realizing it.

Eowynn:
So this is my theory, feel free to disagree. 

Bookworm:
But, of course...<g>

Eowynn:
<snip> Any how those are my thoughts on the three 
missing DE; Lupin, Crouch Jr, and Karkaroff.

Bookworm:
I think the third missing DE is Ludo Bagman, not Lupin.  Remember 
that Bagman was accused of being a DE, whined that he trusted his 
boss, Rookwood, and was basically let off because of his Quidditch 
fans in the Wizengamot.  Also, look at the language of LV's 
statement: "One, too cowardly to return...he will pay."  When last 
seen, Bagman was running from the goblins - now LV's allies - 
because he couldn't *pay* his gambling debts.

That would make Karkaroff the "One, who I believe has left me 
forever...he will be killed, of course."  Earlier in GoF, Harry saw 
Karkaroff show Snape how the mark on his arm was getting more 
noticeable.  Instead of interpreting this as Karkaroff 
being "cowardly" about LV's return, what if he was worried about 
LV's return because he had left LV's service and feared LV's 
vengeance.  It's a subtle difference, but I think he was afraid for 
his life, while Bagman was just plain afraid.

Ravenclaw Bookworm

Eowynn:

I never even thought of Bagman, now I have to re-read the whole graveyard scene. Maybe ESE Lupin was there (shakes head in sorrow, and I was so hoping that he would give up his DE ways and turn back to the good side.) Once again, no canon one way or the other,...(lost in thought) This changes the whole outlook of a lot of my other thoughts. Thank you so much for this other POV, I may be even more confused, but that scenario opens up a lot of other avenues that had at one time seemed to treacherous to venture on. Now I think, with a little planning, that I may just choose to venture those roads. Now I am so excited. When did we find out that the goblins had gone over to LV side? I thought that bill was working on getting them on DD side? Did I miss some really big part of the book?

Eowynn (holding out till the end for ESE Lupin, to change his ways.)  






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