[HPforGrownups] Re: Jewish Goblins?

[EnsTren at aol.com]

No: HPFGUIDX 81449

In a message dated 9/23/2003 8:01:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time, hpfanmatt at gmx.net writes:

> Although I suppose EnsTren could answer more reliably, I think that
> you are misunderstanding his/her post.  The point, as I read it, is
> not that the Goblins are supposed to *represent* Jews, but that the
> *discrimination* against the Goblins is reminiscent of a certain brand
> of anti-Semitism -- demonizing (goblinizing?) an entire group because
> some members are successful in business or, particularly, in finance
> ("How now, Shylock, what news among the merchants"!).  In this sense,
> EnsTren's point is similar to the prior thread discussing how various
> brands of "otherness" in the books can be analogized to the otherness
> felt by members of the gay/lesbian community (see post # 77983 and its
> progeny).  Neither claim requires JKR to have intended any precise
> symmetry, much less that she have "indulged in" a stereotype.  But,
> given the prevalence of prejudice and discrimination as themes in the
> books, it is rather difficult to believe that Rowling does not intend
> us to draw *any* connection to prejudices in the real world.
> 

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/THANK YOU/ Matt.  I was looking for the right words to express myself and boom, here you are with them.  My post was misread.  I really need to learn to keep my writing on target, let me see if I can boil down to the points I wanted to make.

In the middle ages and afterwards Jews were not allowed to own land and certain bussinesses.  So in order to make enough money to survive they became bankers and money lenders.

My thought was what if due to the Goblin rebellions we hear so much about if a same sort of ban was placed upon the Goblins?

After WWI Germany had to pay off depts, like really huge fines for the whole country because they had allied against the rest of europe.

My second thought was what if the Goblins had a simular fine on them, leading they to be more sensitive than usual to their galleons.  And getting very angry when it's stolen out from under them presumablely from the MoM.

> 
> -- Matt
> 
> P.S.: Laura definitely misread EnsTren in attributing to him/her a
> claim that "2 Jews were in charge of the German government before
> WWII."  What EnsTren said was that "prior to World War two Jews were
> in control of the German goverment."  Notwithstanding the punctuation,
> it is clear that the "two" was in reference to "World War 
> II" and not
> to "two Jews."

Yes, thank you again, I had read her responce and I did not even coprehend what she was refering too.

I believe two Jews /Were/ incharge of the goverment, you best ask Martha about that though as she has her fact straighters than I.  *hugs martha*  I had been refering to the Weimer goverment though.


Nemi