They are children's books (Was: the heart of it all)

[Geoff Bannister]

No: HPFGUIDX 81792

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "jeffl1965" <jeffl1965 at h...> 
wrote:
> --- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "Geoff Bannister" 
> <gbannister10 at a...> wrote:
> > 
>    <Snipped>
> 
> 
> > Geoff:
> > I think we've shared a similar exchange of ideas along this line 
> > before. I do not see HP as a Christ figure but as a type of a 
> > Christian figure. 

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> Jeff:
>    Intresting point, but I don't seem to feel that's what the other 
> poster meant. I guess I should say that Harry isn't the Second 
> Coming, and perhaps that will clear things up. Harry is good, but 
not 
> necessarily a Christian. I've met good people who were agnostic, so 
> its not always correct to associate good with The Lord. 


Geoff: (it's the double act again!)

Agreed. Good is not the monopoly of Christians, but the ultimate good 
resides with God; we can only aspire to getting there and it is a 
long haul.


Even good 
> people have dark secrets.  Just like in another book, Sir William 
> Golding's Lord of The Flies, many mistake Simon for being Christ. 
> Simon has lots of faults, and is even presented as being a bit 
> mental. Not a good example. Anyway, to keep this on topic, as 
Sirius 
> said there aren;t clear b&w lines in the HP universe, and the same 
> can be said for RL as well.  


Geoff:
Possibly, but many of JKR's throwaway lines about choice and love 
etc. have strong Christian undertones. I use them a lot with a YP 
group in my home church to bring out the central points of belief in 
Christ.



Jeff:
> While I think The Malfoy family are 
> snobs and racists, I don't think they're totally evil. 


Geoff:
'fraid I think Lucius is a singularly nasty, calculating and evil 
man. COS revealed him as a bully (even to Draco) and a hypocrite.




> Not the kind 
> of folk I'd want to have over for dinner, but not the kind I'd want 
> to go casting stones at either. ;) Same for Crabbe and Goyle. I 
think 
> they're too ignorant of life to really be evil. They may hang 
around 
> with Draco, but that could be because they were told to, if nothing 
> else. 


Geoff:
Cut out to be a pair of bouncers in my opinions. Find a decent night 
club for 'em......