They are children's books (Was: the heart of it all)

[jeffl1965]

No: HPFGUIDX 81819

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "Geoff Bannister" 
<gbannister10 at a...> wrote:
> <snip>
> 
> 
> > Jeff:
> >    Intresting point, but I don't seem to feel that's what the 
other 
> > poster meant. I guess I should say that Harry isn't the Second 
> > Coming, and perhaps that will clear things up. Harry is good, but 
> not 
> > necessarily a Christian. I've met good people who were agnostic, 
so 
> > its not always correct to associate good with The Lord. 
> 
> 
> Geoff: (it's the double act again!)
> 
> Agreed. Good is not the monopoly of Christians, but the ultimate 
good 
> resides with God; we can only aspire to getting there and it is a 
> long haul.
> 
>
    Jeff:

    Agreed. Many people, both real and ficticious are very good, and 
have a very moral value system. As imperfect as it maybe and as we 
are, it's still good to at least strive for it.
    Many of the HP characters are very moral,imho. They care for each 
other, and other people and don't appear to be corrupt in anyway that 
I can see.  Snape appears to be evil, yet he has good qualities about 
him. Loyalty and dedication are the most visible. Yet his personality 
lacks a lot. :)



 
> Even good 
> > people have dark secrets.  Just like in another book, Sir William 
> > Golding's Lord of The Flies, many mistake Simon for being Christ. 
> > Simon has lots of faults, and is even presented as being a bit 
> > mental. Not a good example. Anyway, to keep this on topic, as 
> Sirius 
> > said there aren;t clear b&w lines in the HP universe, and the 
same 
> > can be said for RL as well.  
> 
> 
> Geoff:
> Possibly, but many of JKR's throwaway lines about choice and love 
> etc. have strong Christian undertones. I use them a lot with a YP 
> group in my home church to bring out the central points of belief 
in 
> Christ.
> 
> 
   Jeff:

    Yes, that is true. She tries to show many good values in the 
books. The fantasy theme that many christians fear as much as Satan 
himself boggles my mind. I know many people that are like that. If 
God isn't involved in it, then its not worth looking at. Which is 
sad. I've read many books, seen many movies that don't mention God at 
all, yet he's in it anyway. I've mentioned that the books, imho, show 
that love, friendship, self-sacrifice and trust are shown a lot in 
them. If that's not worth showing the world, then what is?



> 
> Jeff:
> > While I think The Malfoy family are 
> > snobs and racists, I don't think they're totally evil. 
> 
> 
> Geoff:
> 'fraid I think Lucius is a singularly nasty, calculating and evil 
> man. COS revealed him as a bully (even to Draco) and a hypocrite.
> 
> 
  Jeff:

    Yes, he is. Draco is learning that, but I don't know how much he 
really believes in it. I can't speak about his mother, since I have 
no common frame of reference to base such a statement.


> 
> 
> > Not the kind 
> > of folk I'd want to have over for dinner, but not the kind I'd 
want 
> > to go casting stones at either. ;) Same for Crabbe and Goyle. I 
> think 
> > they're too ignorant of life to really be evil. They may hang 
> around 
> > with Draco, but that could be because they were told to, if 
nothing 
> > else. 
> 
> 
> Geoff:
> Cut out to be a pair of bouncers in my opinions. Find a decent 
night 
> club for 'em......

   Jeff:

     Yes, that would be a good job for them. Give'em an unlimited 
food tab and they won't complain too much about raises. ;) I don't 
think I would either!!! :)


  Jeff