Re-reading CoS : questions, and more about Penny

[delwynmarch]

No: HPFGUIDX 94923


> Carol:
> One slight problem: Lucius is in Azkaban now and Snape is at 
> Hogwarts. They can't be the same person.

Del :
Not exactly. We do not *know* that Lucius is indeed in Akaban, we 
have only been *told* so. Harry and Draco believe it, but that 
doesn't necessarily make it true.

Carol :
> Besides, that would make Snape Draco's father and Draco clearly 
> regards them as different people.

Del :
Once again, it's a matter of knowing vs believing. The fact that 
Draco *believes* that his dad isn't Snape, doesn't mean it's true. 
Maybe he just doesn't know better. Honestly, if I were Lucius/Snape, 
I wouldn't have told Draco, I would keep it secret from him. It 
would be way too dangerous to have a kid know that kind of secret.

Carol :
> And would rich, snooty Lucius lower himself to teach Potions and 
> grade homework?

Del :
I can't answer that if I don't know how things happened. I do 
believe that originally Snape and Malfoy were two different beings. 
I'm just wondering if one of them didn't get killed and the other is 
filling in while still keeping his real identity. Snape, for 
example, would have every reason to do that : it would allow him to 
spy on LV and his DEs, while keeping in contact with DD.
And just for fun, I can even throw a love interest in the whole 
thing :-) : maybe Snape was in love with Narcissa, but Lucius got to 
marry her, gave her a son, and got killed somehow. But for whatever 
reason Narcissa couldn't re-marry with Snape, so Snape took Lucius's 
place so they could be together.
I tell you, I can have a sick imagination sometimes :-) Prove me 
wrong though ;-)

> Carol:
> I don't know. I've raised several queries regarding Penny and how 
> much she knows about her own petrification, but I haven't received 
> a single response. I don't think she was a bad guy and 
> her "excuse" for wandering the corridors would be that she's a 
> prefect and it was her duty. Maybe, like Percy, she thought that 
> Prefects would be immune from the attacks.

Del :
I don't think Penny is a bad gal either. But she for sure wasn't on 
duty when Harry and Ron met her during the Christmas holidays. They 
later suppose she had been snogging with Percy, but is that true ? I 
have strong doubts about that, especially since I noticed yesterday 
evening that JKR tried to fool us on the number of students who 
stayed for the Christmas holidays that year. If I remember 
correctly, in PS/SS and PoA, very few students stay over, so few in 
fact that everyone ends up eating together at the same table, 
right ? But in CoS, they all eat at their own House table, without 
seeming to notice that Penny is alone at her Ravenclaw table : are 
there other Ravenclaws with her ? We know for sure that there are 
Slytherins other than Malfoy, Crabbe and Goyle, because when Draco, 
Harry and Ron get in the Slytherin common room, there are students 
already there. How does that reconcile with the fact that "there was 
almost a stampede to book seats on the Hogwarts Express so that 
students could go home for Christmas" because of the general panic 
(p. 227) ? I feel like JKR is trying to fool us into thinking that 
there's nothing special about one more student being there, when in 
fact it's highly abnormal.

Carol :
> But I still want to know what she know (if anything) about Diary!
> Tom, and how Percy could possibly think that LV isn't back in some 
> form when both Penny and Ginny were Tom Riddle's victims.
> 
> Maybe Tom Riddle *isn't* Voldemort, just as the shadow that comes 
> out of LV's wand *isn't* Cedric, and destroying Diary!Tom (in 
> Percy's view) has nothing to do with the return of the *real* 
> Voldemort? In any case, LV himself doesn't seem to know about the 
> basilisk incident, or at least he doesn't mention it in the 
> graveyard scene. What's up? any ideas?

Del :
In my idea, Diary!Tom is like a clone of 16-year-old Tom. Tom 
recorded a copy of himself in that Diary, but from then on, Diary!
Tom was completely separated from his creator. The real Tom wouldn't 
know what would happen to his Diary!Clone, and vice-versa. So what 
you say Percy thinks is right : destroying Diary!Tom wouldn't 
influence in the least the real LV. Just like killing LV wouldn't 
destroy the Diary. And it's logical LV doesn't mention the Diary in 
GoF, because most likely he doesn't even know his clone has been 
reactivated : he was in Albania when those things happened, and I 
don't think Wormtail knew a lot about the Diary. A bit probably, but 
not all that happened.

Del