Did Lily run? was Why were the sacrifices different?

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> vmonte wrote:
> I think she ran to another room. I see no 
> reason why she wouldn't have had her wand either.

Lilian:

If Lily had her wand with her, would LV have said: ,,stand aside"? 
My guess is that he would have stupefied her or cast something else 
to prevent her fighting him. How would you deal with an opponent who 
is 'armed' in the same manner that you are? I think that because 
Lily did not have her wand, LV dismissed her as a threat to him, and 
in doing so handed her the strongest weapon she could use against 
him on behalf of her child.

> vmonte again:
> I also think that someone else was at Godric's Hollow besides 
James, Lily, and Harry. 
> By the way, I reread the Godric's Hollow sections from OOTP. 

Lilian:
POA you mean, right? :)

<snips part about possibility of third person at Godrics Hollow>

> vmonte: 
> At what point in time did everyone know that the prophecy was
> about Harry? According to the books, DD only realized it was about 
> Harry after Voldemort's attack at Godric's Hollow. So, were any 
> other male children being protected at this time? Did they have a 
> secret keeper?

Lilian:
But the Potters didn't have a secret keeper until they knew that LV 
was after them. If I remember correctly, that was shortly before the 
actual attack. They apparently did not need a secret keeper before, 
so neither did others (I assume). Which, as someone pointed out 
previously, would be inconvenient when grabbing a pint or doing your 
day-to-day shopping - no protection.

> vmonte:
> How about the year this child was born? Why mention the month but 
> not the year? Is there someone else out there in the WW that may
> have been born in the same month as Harry and Neville but is
> perhaps younger? 
<snip> 

Lilian:

Okay, this is tricky, English not being my first language, but... 
the prphecy says: ,,approaches"  and then ,,born as the seven month 
dies". 'Approaches' is read by me as approaching right now, just as 
the second part is also read by me as being in the neares possible 
future (meaning the first July that comes). If I'm widely off mark 
here.... be gentle, I really try my best on English grammar. ;)

(Reminds me that I still must look up the Dutch translation of the 
wordings of the Prophecy, can hardly believe that they could catch 
that same ambiguity)

> vmonte:
> And below:
> "Not Harry, please no, take me, kill me instead--" (page 179)
> Was Lily aware of the prophecy? Did DD tell James and not Lily?
> Did Lily think it was about someone else?

Lilian:
I think that both James and Lily were aware of the prophecy. From 
the moment that Harry was born, at least DD knew that they were a 
potential target. DD needed them to be alert, even if no one of them 
thought that they needed a secret keeper straight away. And yes, 
perhaps they did think at first that LV would go after the 
Longbottoms, as their son is a pureblood.

> vmonte:
> I think that Lily, out of desperation, sacrificed herself to save 
> her son; but I do not think that it was pre-planned. I think it 
> was something that she did spur-of-the-moment.   

Lilian:
I have the idea that Lily's constant, erm, 'begging' (for lack of a 
better word, sounds so much like grovelling which she was IMO not) 
LV to take her life, to kill her instead a well-done attempt to 
leave no other room in LV's mind than for just *the* spell that 
triggered her weapon (her sacrifice). In other words, she tried to 
let LV concentrate on just only one possibility to get her out of 
the way (OK, silly girl, you insist...*sigh*...AK!). Kind of 
psychological warfare, one might call it?

> vmonte:
> What about the 24 hours of missing time between the actual event 
> and when Harry is dropped off at the Dursley's? 

Lilian:
Well, I would say that one of the difficulties to get to the actual 
address of the Potters, is that the Fidelius Charm was probably 
still intact. Peter was the secret keeper and only had divulged the 
secret to Sirius (apart from LV, of course). Otherwise other people 
would have known that not Sirius had been secret keeper, but Peter. 
So how could DD or Hagrid even get to the Potter's place? Again we 
don't know -yet, but perhaps quite some time was needed to break the 
Fidelius Charm?

> vmonte:
> Did anyone try to change the events of that night by using 
> a time-turner? 
<snip> 

Lilian:
Possible, but why? The first part of the prophecy was fulfilled, LV 
had marked Harry as his equal. On to the second part, DD must have 
thought! ;) 

Lilian, who hopes that this post does not end up with one of the 
elves, as for reasons yet unknown to her some posts send from her 
home-pc sometimes do