Acceptable Abuses?

[dumbledore11214]

No: HPFGUIDX 95750

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, Dolies <doliesl at y...> wrote:
> > 
> errr...you know...I have MANY "Snapes" teachers all my
> life but that certainly does not prevent me from
> enjoying the character as he is meant to be. In fact
> that very fact enhance my experience of reading these
> books and appreciating Snape. I know it must be an
> alien concept for some of you but to me Snape is
> really FUN to read (and write I suppose). He's almost
> like a Dostoevsky anti-hero who behave in a way that
> fulfilled that fantasy wish onto a bad day or toward
> someone but can't do so because of whatever boundary
> they have. Similar goes for Umbridge and Dursley, I
> LOVE reading their part, except Snape has a much
> larger and more important role so he's more special.
> Well that's just me.
> 


Who said that being angry at Snape's behaviour makes him less 
interesting to read for me? 


Maybe it is alien concept to to you, but to me it is possible to 
despise whatever the character does and still enjoy the said 
character as part of the story.

Snape as Dostoevsky anti-hero? Please! I grew up reading and loving 
Dostoevsky work and Snape is so not there yet, IMO.

Snape is a mystery, but mystery does not equal complexity. Once 
Snape's motivations will be revealed, as someone said earlier I 
sincerely doubt that Snape will still be considered that emotionally 
complex character. I think that his motivations will be crystal clear 
tot he readers.


> But I've seen these discussion on why oh WHY
> Dumbledore allow this and that (hence tons of
> evil!manipulative!Dumbledore theories), and the dismal
> status of wizard world's
> educational/moral/child-raising issues. People feeling
> genuinely upset at the issues like "this is just plain
> wrong!?? this society is SICK! why aren't any parent
> report Snape to child abuse service??"  It is one
> thing to think about social issues when reading HP
> books, but totally another thing to imposing issues
> ONTO the books. I'm not sure where you fit in
> here.Since you said you see nothing wrong, I say it is
> problematic because: the wizard world will forever be
> this mean-spirited, twisted, sick and wrong place if
> you insist on taken it as seriously as if it's real.
> It'd constrainted the imaginative, wild and
> exaggerated world by applying real life contemporary
> *muggle* social values and standard upon it. We are
> talking about a world where it is a funny prank to
> burn a kid's tongue with holes, kids turning other
> kids into giant slug, hexes throwing casually at each
> other on school hallway.
>


Where do social issues fit there? Because the real world issues  gave 
the author inspiration to come up with "potterverse"

Of course, real world issues are not exactly the same as reflected 
in "potterverse". They are a bit exaggerated, a bit changed, but they 
are still THERE to me at least. It does not take a bit from my 
enjoyment of the books.


Those pranks are funny? Sure, I laughed when Crouch!Moody turned 
Draco into ferret. It did not stop me though from thinking that 
teacher should not behave like this.


Let me ask you a question. Did you laugh when you read Pensieve scene?

It is possible, you know to have several different reactions to the 
same scene.


Am I angry when Snape humiliates and hurts Neville and Harry? You 
bet! It is the same kind of anger I felt when Milady Winter poisoned 
Constance in "Three Musketeers" It is the same kind of anger I felt 
when  I want any vilain in the book to get his dues.


> The first and foremost to remember is that: this is
> not a real world and JKR has a story to tell. And the
> *tone* of this children story is more like the
> fairytale tradition/Dickens, and the wizard world is
> supposedly meant to be comical. To demand something
> like "child abuse service" not only do not  fit the
> tone of the book, but stuffs like that'll just kill
> the magic and all the mythological/Victorian litarary
> charm that makes Harry Potter so appealing.  And I'll
> be so sorry for anyone who really thought child abuse
> service should appear in a story like this. 
 

Huh? No, I don't want child services appear in the book, but I want 
villains and semi-villains to get their dues in the STORY, I am sure 
JKR will come up with the suitable device to do so.



Alla