ThatNightAtGodric'sHollow/Persuading Kreacher

[amanitamuscaria1]

No: HPFGUIDX 95804

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "Catlady (Rita Prince Winston)" 
<catlady at w...> wrote:
snippity-snip
> But surely Voldemort never refrained from killing people just 
because
> it was unneccessary. Some people speculated he was motivated to 
spare
> Lily because she was secretly his daughter. I don't believe that 
Lily
> was Voldemort's daughter because *JKR* said she is Muggle-born, and
> the powerful witch being Muggle-born is part of the anti-prejudice
> moral of the story, and anyway Voldemort would have had no more 
qualms
> about killing his daughter than about killing his father and
> grandparents.
> 
snip
> 
> In other words, I personally have no idea WHY LV told Lily to stand
> aside.

AmanitaMuscaria now: The only thing that makes sense to me regarding 
the  'Stand aside' bit of Harry's memory is that Lord Voldything was 
doing it for the sheer pleasure of conning Lily into saving herself, 
watching him kill Harry, then killing her anyways.
> 
> Kneasy http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/95570
> 
> << "He did not wish to tell me," said Dumbledore. "But I am a
> sufficiently accomplished Legilimens myself to know when I am being
> lied to and I - persuaded him - to tell me the full story, before I
> left for the Department of Mysteries."
> 
> Now all we have to do is determine just what
> sort of 'persuasion' DD used when rushing to rescue Harry. >>
> 
> You imply Imperius, but Veritaserum would be just as effective (and
> apparently not Unforgiveable). 

AmanitaMuscaria now - Do we know whether Veritaserum works on house 
elves?

>I actually had read the euphemism as
> referring to physical torture -- by tying hands to feet bent
> backwards, etc, not by Crucio -- but physical torture wouldn't be as
> *fast* a way to get the information, and you have reminded me that 
he
> was in a hurry. A pity. I had been thinking happily that Kreacher 
had
> died from the 'persuasion'.

AmanitaMuscaria again - The way I read it was of something pretty 
nasty being done to Kreacher by Dumbledore as well. He may, of 
course, have very specific methods of making the little **** talk - I 
just wonder if the portrait of Mrs. Black is still in the same state 
it was?
Cheers. AmanitaMuscaria