Help with Lupin's boggart / Cockroaches

[potioncat]

No: HPFGUIDX 96377

> (Quigon) Ginger before:
> > > Lupin has just been outed by Hermione, and asks how she knew he 
> was 
> > a 
> > > werewolf.
> > > 
> > > "Did you check the lunar charts and realize that I was always 
ill 
> > at 
> > > the full moon?  Or did you realize that the boggart changed 
into 
> > the 
> > > moon when it saw me?"
> > > 
> > 
> > Potioncat:
snip
I think there is a connection (still working on this 
> mind 
> > you) between his boggart orb turning into cockroaches and the jar 
> of 
> > cockroaches smashing over Harry's head and the misty figures that 
> > come out of prophecy orbs in the DoM.
> 
> (Quigon) Ginger now:
>snip
> 
> Now, on to the theory.  Let's see.  If we consider an orb to be the 
> future, then Lupin considers the future to be the most frightening 
> thing he faces.  In his shoes, so would I.  If he makes the future 
> less frightening by turning it into a cockroach, then what does a 
> cockroach represent?  Perhaps the mundane present?  Something 
easily 
> defeated by squashing it?
> 
> Another possibility is that he knows about Harry's prophecy, and 
that 
> it is Harry's future that he finds frightening.  That would connect 
> it with the misty figures.  At least they are in the same room. 
> 
> I must admit I am at a loss to explain the cockroaches over Harry's 
> head.  I realize you are still in the thinking stage, but if you 
gel 
> this out, I'd love to hear it.  Even connecting the 2 cockroach 
> references would be interesting. 


Potioncat:
Two threads  have been brought to my attention about Lupin's boggart 
73132 and 90112. Thanks!  Oddly enough the 90112 was an offshoot of a 
half baked idea I had about cockroaches.  It still all comes down to 
cockroaches. IIRC, here are the cockroach episodes:

Cockroach clusters and blood flavored candy are located in the same 
area of Honeydukes.  Blood candy for vampires? We're never told who 
would want cockroach clusters. (PoA)

Right after the pensieve moment Snape smashes a jar of cockroaches 
over Harry's head. (OoP) 

In the Boggart class, Lupin interupts Harry to cast his own Boggart 
orb/moon which disolves into a cockroach then Neville is called up 
and  the cockroach becomes Boggart/Snape. (PoA)

I don't recall the wording, but somehow his Boggart/Orb fades into a 
cockroach.  In the DoM, the orbs smash and a person appears speaking 
a prophecy.  Smashing orbs = prophecy  Fading orb = cockroach.  

Now, I hesitate to point this out, but look at the pattern from a 
clue standpoint as it appears in the plot

Vampire candy----cockroach candy (whose?)
Lupin and friends----Snape and scattering cockroaches
Lupin's boggart/orb into roach----into Boggart/Snape


And, not close in story, 
 prophecy orbs shattering -------jar of cockroaches shattering.

So, to get to two possible points here.  
The cockroaches seem to be connected to both Lupin and Snape. 
The orb is a prophecy orb not the moon He lied to Hermione so that 
she wouldn't make another connection.
Potioncat