[HPforGrownups] Re: Neville and the Prophecy

[charme]

No: HPFGUIDX 108432


From: (Cathy Drolet) DuffyPoo:

> I think LV *was* focused on killing both kids, but at the time, he only
knew where the Potters were, thanks to Wormtail.  He'd worry about the
Longbottom kid later.  Once he was turned into vapour at the Potters, via
Lily's sacrifice, LV, knowing only the first part of the prophecy 'the one
with the power to vanquish the DL approaches...blah blah blah' is wrongly
convinced, that Harry Potter is the one the prophecy refers to.  LV, like
some of us, equates vapourness with vanquishment. Oh, if that kid did that
to me, then he must be the one.  Neville is now totally off his radar.
<snip>
LV hasn't yet figured out that if it was Lily's sacrifice that saved HP, not
anything special or 'powerful' about him, that HP may not be the one in the
prophecy at all.  It may be the Longbottom kid.  but right now, Neville, as
I said above, is totally off LV's radar, because he still believes HP to be
'the one.' <


charme:  I'm sorry, but I can't figure out what you're trying to say here,
other than LV may have been focused on killing both kids initially. Ok, I
buy that. The context in which you're framing your argument for Neville
"being the one" I don't buy at all, since I believe LV made his choice
initially - I believe that JKR promotes the concept that you have to live
with the decision throughout the septology. I also think that Neville is a
red herring of sorts;  I think he's important to the main plot, but vague
enough to generate this type of theory you're trying to promote.


> DuffyPoo:
> PS - LV was trying to get the stone, that and that alone, until HP got in
the way.  He only said 'Kill him!' after Quirrill said he couldn't touch HP
to get the stone and HP wasn't giving it up freely. <snip> 
> CoS - Until Ginny told TR about HP, he was none the wiser.  The point of
the diary was to re-open the CoS not kill HP (that may not have been the
motive of LM in givng the diary to Ginny, however.)  That came after, only
after Ginny had told TR everything she knew about HP.  <snip>
> GoF - Yup, LV wanted HP and HP alone....because he is wrongly convinced,
through circumstantial evidence, that HP is the kid from the prophecy.
> OotP - LV was after the prophecy more than he was after HP.  After LV
found out he was working with dunderheads who kept saying they 'could' get
the orb when they really couldn't, he had to lure HP to the DoM to get the
orb for him. <snip> 
>

charme:  I believe that, regardless of the circumstances and actions
surrounding it, each and every instance you pointed out above LV tried to
kill Harry at the end. Hence my comment about consistency and reliability. I
also disagree with your COS point - I believe that that is taken out of
context in your view, but you're entitled to it just the same. I'm not
convinced it's canon that Ginny told TR *everything* about Harry in the
diary. If TR didn't have any memories of what he became (LV), he wouldn't
know what he was capable of, would he?  That's a very complex twist that has
no tangible reliabe basis in canon (we didn't see what she wrote or what TR
wrote back to her.)