Why was Harry in mortal danger in Dobby's eyes? (was: Lily WAS muggle-born)

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No: HPFGUIDX 108522

sad1199 asked:
>>>"Now, a question. I have read these books through at least 5 times
and I am an intelligent person but! I still don't understand WHY
Dobby tried to prevent Harry from returning to Hogwarts. I mean,
obviously, Dobby overheard his master talking about the diary and
knew(?) he was going to give it to Ginny(or was that just luck that
she got it?) and Dobby knew(?) who Tom Riddle was when most of the
wizards in WW don't even know."<<<


In 108512 Magda did a nice job of summarizing in a response:
>>Well, I thought it was because Dobby realized that the purpose was 
to let the Basilisk loose in the school to kill non-purebloods and 
Harry his by DE standards not a pureblood. Since Harry is revered in 
the house elf universe, then Harry's demise would mean more to Dobby 
than the fate of dozens of anonymous kids....

On the other hand, there's a great theory at Red Hen publications:
http://www.redhen-publications.com/Basilisk.html
that suggests that HARRY was supposed to be the recipient of the
diary so Riddle could take him over (if you can't kill 'em, join 'em,
I guess would be Voldemort's logic) and really possess him. After
all, Voldemort is looking for a human body again and Harry would fit
the bill wonderfully and with a deliciously ironic twist to boot.

Lucius only shoved the diary in Ginny's textbook because he'd had
that dust-up with Arthur and was feeling particularly anti-Weasley at
that moment. <<


DuffyPoo also responded, saying:
>>My personal opinion is that LM was going to give the diary to HP, 
or why would Dobby have indicated that HP would be in mortal danger? 
LM would have no idea that HP would come to GW's aid. LM's purpose in 
giving HP the book was to have the CoS opened again and Mudbloods 
killed (I think this was his reasoning).  HP's mortal danger would 
be: being caught and having his soul sucked out by Dementors. <<


SSSusan now:
You're right, DuffyPoo, that giving the diary to Ginny wouldn't 
necessarily bring Harry into things.  Who could guess with certainty 
what would happen to Ginny *or* what Harry would do in response, if 
anything?  (It's only CoS, after all, and we don't know quite so much 
about Harry's "hero thing" yet. :-))  BUT whether the diary went to 
Ginny or Harry, there was the danger for Harry that he'd be attacked 
himself by the basilisk in the halls, as a "half-blood" *or*, if 
Lucius got lucky, of his encountering a Diary!Tom in the Chamber who 
could do just what he did—set the basilisk on him there.


sad1199 asked:
>>>"Does this tell us that Lucius Malfoy
is MUCH closer to Voldemort than JKR has let on so far?"<<<

DuffyPoo responded:
>>LV spoke to LM first, the very first, in the Graveyard scene in 
GoF. Mr Weasley always believed that LM was in LV's 'inner circle.' 
LV was there, front and centre, in the DoM when HP first got the 
prophecy orb. I think LM is much closer to LV that we may know. Much, 
MUCH closer, and very good at hiding it from people like Fudge. <<


SSSusan:
I have no doubt that Lucius has always been in Voldy's inner circle.  
What I DO have doubts about is whether he used the diary as part of a 
plan to HELP Voldy.  In fact, I think he did not.  First, do we know 
that Voldy made contact w/ Lucius after he managed to get himself 
barnacled onto Quirrell's head and before he was reduced to vapor 
again at the end of PS/SS?  No evidence of it—in fact, the graveyard 
speaks against this having happened.  Second, I think Mr. Lucius 
Malfoy is one very power-hungry wizard himself and has GRAND PLANS 
for his future, with or without Voldy in it.  I even wonder if Lucius 
wouldn't prefer a world without Voldy, as it would clearly make the 
possibility of his being at the top greater.  

Anyway, I maintain that Lucius dropped the diary—whether to hurt 
Arthur's reputation, to draw Harry into danger, to wreak havoc on 
mudbloods, or to get DD into hot water [or all the above] ON HIS 
OWN.  I maintain that he did this in order to help smooth his own way 
to a position of power at Hogwarts and at the Ministry.  

I also maintain that if Lucius had done the diary-drop *for* Voldy, 
then when Voldy spoke to him in the graveyard, he would have NOT 
chastised Lucius for never coming to find him, but would rather have 
held Lucius up as a worthy, loyal follower for at least having 
attempted to assist him in his return.


Siriusly Snapey Susan