[HPforGrownups] Digest Number 5039

[drliss at comcast.net]

No: HPFGUIDX 108840

>>HunterGreen:
> I like that thought. He could have used a potion in conjunction 
with the imperious curse that made Lupin lose his memory (perhaps 
slipped to him right after a werewolf transformation, when Lupin was 
already confused). >>>>>>>>>

Aggie:
I like this thought too! My reservation on it is that if this *had* 
happened, I doubt that the 2 minutes in the Shreiking Shack would 
have convinced Lupin to forgive Sirius.  Sirius *knew* that Peter was 
the traitor as he had swapped secret-keeper places with him.  Lupin 
(and why do we call him Lupin and the others by their first name?) 
wouldn't have known this *and* would have had the added insult of 
Sirius et al believing *him* to be the traitor.  I suppose after 12 
years of contemplation, this may have been worked out in Lupin's head 
already, but I do find it difficult to believe that he would have 
forgiven them that quickly. 

That said, it is my favouite theory on why Lupin was distrusted.  I 
am *SO* against ESE!Lupin, yes siree Bob!  ;o) 


Lissa:

YAY!  Someone else against ESE!Lupin!!!!! :)  

Even a Confundus charm could have been effective, as I think of it (although I like the Imperious curse best.)  And heck, just simple rumor and innuendo.  

The thing about the Shrieking Shack scene is I always got the impression Lupin never realized Sirius suspected him of being a spy.  I don't think they had it out, to be honest.  Remus (and I think we call him Lupin for the same reason Harry does- that's how we were introduced to him) has to ask Sirius to confirm that Sirius thought he was the spy.  With the real traitor standing right there in front of them, it seems like it would be a little easier to brush off that Sirius was thinking he was the spy- especially if he hasn't been nursing that grudge for 12 years.  We know Sirius knew for sure there was a spy.  I assume Lupin figured it out too.  But heck- maybe Lupin was suspecting Peter, or someone else within the Order.

The thing I find interesting is that people seem to assume that there was a rift between Sirius and Remus in order for this to happen.  I don't think that's the case.  We see how quickly Sirius can make a decision and act on it.  How long did he have to suspect Remus as the spy?  Years?  Months?  Days?  Hours?  With this being Sirius, hours.  Suspecting your best friend of treason must be a very, very hard thing to do, and I'll bet he couldn't handle doing it for long before acting on it.

And even with James and Lily, they didn't have to suspect that Remus was the spy.  All they needed to know was that there was a spy in the Order, and the switch made sense.  Maybe they also suspected Remus, maybe they didn't, but since they knew SOMEONE was the spy they didn't argue with Sirius's plan of action.  Maybe they thought Dumbledore was betraying them- after all, Dumbledore was never informed of the plan to switch secret keepers.  (And why was that, by the way?  Why did James INSIST on using Sirius, when Dumbledore- the general- offered to be Secret Keeper himself?  Just to illustrate the trust between Sirius and James in a literary manner, to illustrate that James did have other trustworthy options?)

So, I think that Sirius suspecting Remus was the spy was a pretty new concept to Remus in the Shrieking Shack, and that's why he was able to dismiss it so quickly.  But then again, that scene was not the time nor the place for long drawn out discussions on the matter!

Liss

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