Marauder's Map, the Marauders, and Voldemort

[romulusmmcdougal]

No: HPFGUIDX 109020

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "dumbledore11214" 
> > Alla:
> > 
> > I am incredibly confused. What are you talking about? Would you 
> care 
> > to give canonical evidence of ANY of the Marauders except Peter, 
of 
> > course playing with Dark Arts with Voldemort being their TUTOR?
> > Thanks

Alla,  Okay let me build my case on circumstantial evidence.  
Most of it appears in the Shrieking Shack scene (in PoA) with Moony, 
Padfoot, and Wormtail in attendance.  Put yourself in their shoes at 
that moment.
[Note: The Marauders at one time were a VERY TIGHT KNIT group.]

Each is saying some things about the others, and please note....none 
of the others are denying outright was is being spoken.  Now, let me 
give examples.

1. <<Lupin: And so I convinced myself that Sirius was getting into 
the school using dark arts he learned from Voldemort, that being an 
Animagus had nothing to do with it... so, in a way, Snape's been 
right about me all along."
"Snape?" said Black harshly, taking his eyes off Scabbers; for the 
first time in minutes and looking up at Lupin. "What's Snape got to 
do with it?">>

Note: Lupin says that Black was using dark arts learned from 
Voldemort.  What does Black respond with?  "NO NO NO, I had nothing 
to do with Voldemort!!!!"  No.  He responds with "what does Snape 
have to do with it?"
This implies that Black has been doing something with Voldemort, for 
he does not deny it.

2.  <<Black: "Harry... I as good as killed them," he croaked. "I 
persuaded Lily and James to change to Peter at the last moment, 
persuaded them to use him as Secret-Keeper instead of me.... I'm to 
blame, I know it.... The night they died, I'd arranged to check on 
Peter, make sure he was still safe, but when I arrived at his hiding 
place, he'd gone. Yet there was no sign of a struggle. It didn't feel 
right. I was scared. I set out for your parents' house straight away. 
And when I saw their house, destroyed, and their bodies... I realized 
what Peter must've done... what I'd done....">>

Black and Pettigrew are friends at this point, for Black is able to 
have Pettigrew become Secret-Keeper and convince the Potters of that 
arrangement.

Now, see this:
<<"You knew Sirius was going to break out of Azkaban?" said Lupin, his
brow furrowed. "When nobody has ever done it before?"
"He's got dark powers the rest of us can only dream of!" Pettigrew
shouted shrilly. "How else did he get out of there? I suppose
He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named taught him a few tricks!"
Black started to laugh, a horrible, mirthless laugh that filled the
whole room.
"Voldemort, teach me tricks?" he said.
Pettigrew flinched as though Black had brandished a whip at him.
"What, scared to hear your old master's name?" said Black. I don't 
blame you, Peter. His lot aren't very happy with you, are they?">>

Again, Black does not deny an association with Voldemort, he only 
snorts at the term "tricks".

And:
<<"Sirius, Sirius, what could I have done? The Dark Lord... you have 
no idea... he has weapons you can't imagine.... I was scared, Sirius, 
I was never brave like you and Remus and James. I never meant it to 
happen....
He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named forced me --"
"DON'T LIE!" bellowed Black. "YOU'D BEEN PASSING INFORMATION TO
HIM FOR A YEAR BEFORE LILY AND JAMES DIED! YOU WERE HIS SPY!">>

Pettigrew had been spying for Voldemort for at least a year before 
the Potters died.  Yet, he was on good terms with Black and the 
Potters.

So, what does this lead us to?
Sirius Black had an association with Voldemort, Pettigrew had an 
association with Voldemort, Lupin had a relationship with Voldemort 
[see 3. below], and maybe Potter had a relationship with Voldemort.

See what Wormtail states above: "The Dark Lord... you have no idea... 
he has weapons you can't imagine.... I was scared, Sirius, I was 
never brave like you and Remus and James."

Wormtail puts the other Marauders all in the same group as being 
brave, as if they were able to stand up to Voldemort where Wormtail 
was not.

This implies heavily that the Marauders, either collectively or 
individually had some sort of relationship with Voldemort, and we see 
from the narration that that relationship involved "learning" 
and "teaching".  Hence, the idea that Voldemort was tutoring some or 
all of them comes into one's head.

Now, maybe James Potter rejected the idea outright, but we see that 
Black did not, Pettigrew did not..., and Lupin did not because:

3. <<"Not if he thought I was the spy, Peter," said Lupin. "I assume 
that's why you didn't tell me, Sirius?" he said casually over 
Pettigrews head. "Forgive me, Remus," said Black.
"Not at all, Padfoot, old friend," said Lupin, who was now rolling up
his sleeves. "And will you, in turn, forgive me for believing you were
the spy?">>

Black believed Lupin was spying for Voldemort!!!  Why would he unless 
he knew Lupin was involved with Voldemort in some fashion??

Conclusion:  All of the Marauders were involved with Voldemort.  Some 
of the Marauders more than the others.  All the Marauders can use 
Voldemort's name with ease, implying that they are not under 
Voldemort's sway or afraid of him -- that is, all except Wormtail.
Also, Voldemort was doing some kind of instruction with them as the 
nature of the relationship revolved around "learning" and "teaching".

Heck, who knows?  Maybe Voldemort was teaching at Hogwarts for a time!

RMM