Marauder's Map, the Marauders, and Voldemort

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No: HPFGUIDX 109022



RMM:
> Alla,  Okay let me build my case on circumstantial evidence.  
> Most of it appears in the Shrieking Shack scene (in PoA) with 
Moony, 
> Padfoot, and Wormtail in attendance.  Put yourself in their shoes 
at 
> that moment.
> [Note: The Marauders at one time were a VERY TIGHT KNIT group.]
> 
> Each is saying some things about the others, and please 
note....none 
> of the others are denying outright was is being spoken.  Now, let 
me 
> give examples.


Alla:

OK, thanks. Now I am at least able to follow your line of argument. 
Needless to say I strongly disagree with it, but at least you don't 
have me scratching my head anymore. :o)

RMM: 
snip.
> Note: Lupin says that Black was using dark arts learned from 
> Voldemort.  What does Black respond with?  "NO NO NO, I had nothing 
> to do with Voldemort!!!!"  No.  He responds with "what does Snape 
> have to do with it?"


Alla:

Sirius responded to the part of the wentence which begged for 
response. He KNOWS that Remus KNOWS now that he is not a traytor, 
Peter is. I don't see why he has to defend himself against 
association with Voldemort. Remus talks about his past state of mind, 
not the present one.

RMM:

> This implies that Black has been doing something with Voldemort, 
for 
> he does not deny it.


Alla: Not necessarily. See above. 


RMM:
snip.

> Now, see this:
> <<"You knew Sirius was going to break out of Azkaban?" said Lupin, 
his
> brow furrowed. "When nobody has ever done it before?"
> "He's got dark powers the rest of us can only dream of!" Pettigrew
> shouted shrilly. "How else did he get out of there? I suppose
> He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named taught him a few tricks!"
> Black started to laugh, a horrible, mirthless laugh that filled the
> whole room.
> "Voldemort, teach me tricks?" he said.
> Pettigrew flinched as though Black had brandished a whip at him.
> "What, scared to hear your old master's name?" said Black. I don't 
> blame you, Peter. His lot aren't very happy with you, are they?">>
> 
> Again, Black does not deny an association with Voldemort, he only 
> snorts at the term "tricks".



Alla:

But in that sentence Sirius did deny his association with Vodemort. 
He again responds very directly to what Peter says. Peter accused him 
that Voldemort taught him tricks and Sirius negates that. Why did he 
have to say more than was asked?


RMM:

> Pettigrew had been spying for Voldemort for at least a year before 
> the Potters died.  Yet, he was on good terms with Black and the 
> Potters.


Alla:


Yes, of course he was. Because they DID NOT KNOW that he was a spy at 
the moment. As you said, Marauders were very tight group at one 
point.Why exactly they were supposed to stop associating with Peter?

 
RMM:
 
> This implies heavily that the Marauders, either collectively or 
> individually had some sort of relationship with Voldemort, and we 
see 
> from the narration that that relationship involved "learning" 
> and "teaching".  Hence, the idea that Voldemort was tutoring some 
or 
> all of them comes into one's head.


Alla:


Well, I appreciate you showing me what your reasoning was, but I 
still find you case to be a weak one. Sorry! :o)

 

RMM:
> Black believed Lupin was spying for Voldemort!!!  Why would he 
unless 
> he knew Lupin was involved with Voldemort in some fashion??



Alla:


That is a VERY INTERESTING question. We all want to know what caused 
Sirius to doubt Lupin and vice versa. 

What reasons did Sirius have to mistrust one of his best friends? I 
don't know. I think that peter had a hand in it. You know, to detect 
suspicion from himself as a real spy.