Molly-- Thoughts on a witch

[Josh Warren]

No: HPFGUIDX 109604

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "pippin_999" <foxmoth at q...> 
wrote:
 
> Pippin:
> Every protection fails sooner or later. It's quite a leap to say 
that 
> because the protection failed eventually, it was never needed at 
> all. Is there canon that anyone, aside from Dumbledore, knew 
> more about Harry's destiny than Harry? 

Voldemort knew the first part of the prophesy... and it stands to 
reason that DD wouldn't keep this much info from his own people when 
they are risking their lives to a) protect Harry and b) the prophesy 
itself. More over, yes... as DD admit himself, it would have done a 
LOT of good even if he'd only said that this thing in the DoM that 
Voldemort wants, he can only get it by going himself (and risking 
exposure to being back) or if Harry takes it off the shelf himself, 
and that for no reason should Harry go there. 

> Josh:
> > Molly is over-protective, and Harry is definitely on a countdown 
> to explode at all this protection.<
> 
> Pippin:
> Oh, *that* will prove how mature he is. <g> The wise response is 
> Bill's--he listens politely to Molly, then does what he 
> thinks best. Harry does the same, and always has. He'd have to 
> regress quite a bit to think he needed to gain his independence 
> by telling off Molly. That wouldn't be unrealistic in terms of an 
> actual teenager, but it'd be a bit boring for the reader. We've
> seen enough angry Harry, haven't we?

Not saying it would be mature, necessarily, but Harry does have a 
right to be angry. You can't dispute that. A good part of the living 
hells of his life are quite attributible to the good guys in the 
guise of protecting him. The Dursleys; 'nuf said. I think it is fair 
to assume that the beginning of HPB will have PowderKeg!Harry, and we 
can either leak that pressure off slowly, or in an explosion. Slowly 
gets us a whole book of Angry!Harry, so... yes, I agree with you, and 
thus we need an explosion. :)
 
Also, Molly's mothering isn't exactly helpful here. Harry's a 
multiple-times orphan, of sorts. His parents are dead. His secondary 
guardian, Sirius, is now dead. His actual guardians, the Dursleys, 
hate him for existing. His headmaster, Dumbledore has failed him 
multiple times in fundamental ways. Harry is not going to stand for 
being called a child any longer, and things have simply gone to far 
for him to act fully like an adult in response. Self-contradictory I 
know, but that's the long and short of it.

Molly might not be the one to receive the anger. It might be the 
Order as a whole. It might just be Dumbledore (lemondrop Harry?), or 
it might be Snape. But the one to open their mouth first will wish 
they hadn't.

> She was the most vocal about it, but *all* the 
> adult members of the Order were agreed--there was nothing 
> stopping any of them, Sirius and Lupin included, from taking 
> Harry aside and telling him whatever they knew.

It's just the overall contribution. You're not expecting a 16 yo to 
act completely rationally, are you? :) Sirius and Lupin _tried_ to 
give him a whiff of info, but were constrained by Dumbledore from 
telling all, of course. Molly objected on her own, and only brought 
in DD as a last resort.

Hmm... we do have to wonder if Molly knows even the partial prophesy, 
or is she the same as DD in that she's hoping that despite all the 
evidence, that Harry won't have to fulfill it until he's an adult? 
Molly not knowing the partial wouldn't contradict my above statement, 
as she wasn't one of the ones guarding it.

Josh