biggest SPOILER _ graveyard at Hogwarts

[jmay_71]

No: HPFGUIDX 109721

Jmay:
Wow, Arianna.  Really interesting post.  I've been thinking about it 
a bit and I have a slight twist to offer to your theory.

To help everyone understand where I'm going with this, my theory is 
based on the premise that the prophesy refers to three people: Peter, 
Harry and Voldemort.

Also, there are other definitions for the word "born" other than 
giving birth to a child.  Such as "deliver".

Arianna wrote:

> Let's take the prophesy apart line by line <snip>
> 
> The one with the power to vanquish the dark lord approaches.

> -This could mean Lily or Peter or Harry. 

Jmay:
Ok, lets say its Peter for the time being.  The "power" could refer 
to his role as the Potter's secret keeper.


Arianna: 
> Born to those who have thrice defied him.
> <snip> we know little about Peter's parents.<snip>

Jmay:
Since we don't have much to go on, it could be true that Peter's 
parents defied Voldemort three times.  However, this part could still 
be referring to James and Lily.  If the word "born" is interpreted as 
delivered or supplied (both listed in Roget's Thesaurus), the 
sentence is now read as "delivered" to those who have thrice defied 
him.  Again, referring to Peter's role as secret keeper.

Arianna: 
> Born as the seventh month dies:
> September is "the seventh month." That is what the word
> means. It just can't be July.

Jmay:  Let's assume that it is referring to the end of September.  We 
don't know when the Potter's went into hiding.  If Peter was made 
secret keeper at the end of September, then he would have 
been "delivered " to them as the seventh month died.

Arianna:
> And the dark lord will mark him as his equal:
> Harry has the scar
> Peter has the dark mark
> Lily had something that made Voldemort hesitate to kill her.

Jmay:  Voldemort also marked Peter by giving him a silver hand.  
True, this does not happen until much later, but if we look at the 
next part of the prophesy


Arianna:
> but he will have power the dark lord know not.
> -Peter has that pesky life debt that he owes to Harry.

Jmay: Exactly.  The life debt occurs before Peter receives his silver 
hand.  So Peter has the power of the life debt when Voldemort marks 
him with the silver hand.

Arianna:
> And either must die at the hand of the other for neither can live
> while the other survives.
> - this could mean exactly what we have been told, but what if it is
> about three people?
<snip>
> -Voldemort was reborn human with Peter's right hand.
> -Peter has that magical silver hand, about which we know
> nothing. Maybe Peter will kill Voldemort with it by accident.  
<snip>

Jmay: Ok, I want to clarify something first.  A lot of posts have 
been written about neither living while the other survives.  I think 
this particular line is referring to a duel arranged by Voldemort.

Possible scenario:  Voldemort, remembering the graveyard duel with 
Harry and the fact that their wands cause side effects he hadn't 
counted on, makes Peter battle Harry.  Peter, remembering that Harry 
saved his life, doesn't want to be the one to kill him.  Voldemort 
issues an ultimatum, either kill him or I'll kill you both.  Now read 
the prophecy line again.  Either (Harry or Peter) must die at the 
hand of the other, for neither (Harry and Peter) can live while the 
other (Voldemort) survives.

Arianna: 
> The one with the power to vanquish the dark lord will be born as
> the seventh month dies.
> -I was hung up on the future tense for months, but even if it were
> Harry, everything was set in motion by Lily's sacrifice.  
> 

Jmay:
I was hung up on the future tense too, until I substituted "deliver" 
for born.  At the time of the prediction, Peter was not the secret 
keeper.  He had not been "delivered" or born yet.

> <snip> Let's not forget,
> there are two books left. If the prophesy were as straight forward
> as it seems, is it really JKR's style to divulge it at the end of 
the
> fifth book?  That's why this could be the biggest spoiler. If it's 
> true, it changes everything.  Harry won't have to go through the 
> veil and somehow come back. He won't have to sacrifice his life 
> or his magic or anything.  He won't have to become a murderer.  
> He won't have to do any of that.  In PoA, Harry tells Lupin and 
> Sirius not to kill Peter because he doesn't want them to be 
> murderers. Harry believes that murder is wrong, even for an evil 
> creep like Peter.  
> I bet Harry won't have to kill Voldemort,  Peter will.
> 
> This is from the World Book Day chat:
> MauraEllen: Did the debt Wormtail has to Harry carry over to
> Voldemort when he sacrificed his arm to restore his body?
> JK Rowling replies -> No. Can't say any more than that!
> 
> Voldemort does not owe Harry a life debt, but her answer implies
> that something more going on there.
> 
> Rita: What about Wormtail? Is there hope for redemption?
> JK Rowling replies -> There's always hope, of course. You'll find
> out more about our rat-like friend in book six.
> 
> Peter can't bring the Potters back to life, his only hope for
> redemption is to ultimately be responsible for Voldemort's death.
> 
> So what do you think? Is it possible or utter rubbish?
> Arianna

Jmay:  I agree with you about the idea that Peter is the key to 
defeating Voldemort.  Your point on something more going on between 
Peter and Voldemort is very important.  The life debt didn't 
transfer, maybe something else did.   But, it may that Peter has to 
sacrifice himself for Harry (just like Lily did) and that results in 
Voldemort's defeat, just like Lily's sacrifice saved Harry before.  
Or, Peter and Harry do something together to defeat Voldemort since 
he is carrying around Peter's hand and Harry's blood.

I realize that I have completely eliminated your Lily connection to 
the whole thing.  But your theory really got me thinking!

Jmay