biggest SPOILER _ graveyard at Hogwarts

[kellymcj2000]

No: HPFGUIDX 109732

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "jmay_71" <jmay_71 at y...> wrote:
> Jmay:
> Wow, Arianna.  Really interesting post.  I've been thinking about 
it 
> a bit and I have a slight twist to offer to your theory.
> 
> To help everyone understand where I'm going with this, my theory is 
> based on the premise that the prophesy refers to three people: 
Peter, 
> Harry and Voldemort.
> 
> Also, there are other definitions for the word "born" other than 
> giving birth to a child.  Such as "deliver".
> 
> Jmay:
> Ok, lets say its Peter for the time being.  The "power" could refer 
> to his role as the Potter's secret keeper.
> 
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> 
> Jmay:
> Since we don't have much to go on, it could be true that Peter's 
> parents defied Voldemort three times.  However, this part could 
still 
> be referring to James and Lily.  If the word "born" is interpreted 
as 
> delivered or supplied (both listed in Roget's Thesaurus), the 
> sentence is now read as "delivered" to those who have thrice defied 
> him.  Again, referring to Peter's role as secret keeper.
> 
> Arianna: 
> > Born as the seventh month dies:
> > September is "the seventh month." That is what the word
> > means. It just can't be July.
> 
> Jmay:  Let's assume that it is referring to the end of September.  
We 
> don't know when the Potter's went into hiding.  If Peter was made 
> secret keeper at the end of September, then he would have 
> been "delivered " to them as the seventh month died.
> 
> Arianna:
> > And the dark lord will mark him as his equal:
> > Harry has the scar
> > Peter has the dark mark
> > Lily had something that made Voldemort hesitate to kill her.
> 
> Jmay:  Voldemort also marked Peter by giving him a silver hand.  
> True, this does not happen until much later, but if we look at the 
> next part of the prophesy

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> Jmay: Exactly.  The life debt occurs before Peter receives his 
silver 
> hand.  So Peter has the power of the life debt when Voldemort marks 
> him with the silver hand.
> 
> Arianna:
> > And either must die at the hand of the other for neither can live
> > while the other survives.
> > - this could mean exactly what we have been told, but what if it 
is
> > about three people?
> <snip>
> > -Voldemort was reborn human with Peter's right hand.
> > -Peter has that magical silver hand, about which we know
> > nothing. Maybe Peter will kill Voldemort with it by accident.  
> <snip>
> 
> Jmay: Ok, I want to clarify something first.  A lot of posts have 
> been written about neither living while the other survives.  I 
think 
> this particular line is referring to a duel arranged by Voldemort.
> 
> Possible scenario:  Voldemort, remembering the graveyard duel with 
> Harry and the fact that their wands cause side effects he hadn't 
> counted on, makes Peter battle Harry.  Peter, remembering that 
Harry 
> saved his life, doesn't want to be the one to kill him.  Voldemort 
> issues an ultimatum, either kill him or I'll kill you both.  Now 
read 
> the prophecy line again.  Either (Harry or Peter) must die at the 
> hand of the other, for neither (Harry and Peter) can live while the 
> other (Voldemort) survives.
> 
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> Jmay:  I agree with you about the idea that Peter is the key to 
> defeating Voldemort.  Your point on something more going on between 
> Peter and Voldemort is very important.  The life debt didn't 
> transfer, maybe something else did.   But, it may that Peter has to 
> sacrifice himself for Harry (just like Lily did) and that results 
in 
> Voldemort's defeat, just like Lily's sacrifice saved Harry before.  
> Or, Peter and Harry do something together to defeat Voldemort since 
> he is carrying around Peter's hand and Harry's blood.
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> Jmay

Hi Jmay
I think you may really be on to something.  For me it's jsut based on 
a gut feeling/hunch really.  After first reading the prophecy I came 
up with the same conclusion you did about it referring to three 
people and Pter's hand being instumental.  I quickly disregarded this 
whole line of thought because of the seventh month (didn't think to 
find the latin like arianna did) and because I, along with everyone 
else on the planet, began thinking Harry had part of Voldemort in 
him.  Hey, maybe the truth will somehow fit both theories together.  
Anyhow, jsut a bit of support for your ideas.  Not that my first 
inclinations about things in this series ever turn out to be correct!

kmcj