Prophecy Interpretations (Re: BIGGEST SPOILER)

[Pat]

No: HPFGUIDX 109879

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "kellymcj2000" <kelly at p...> 
wrote:
> --- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "stellablue571" 
> <msturbo209 at y...> wrote:
> > kmcj:
> > I really do think the outcome of the series will be 
> > > based more on Harry's decisions and the consequences of choices he's 
> > > made in the past rather than on what others have done.  
> > > 
[snips away] 
> >  
> > "This is magic at its' deepest, most impenetrable, Harry. But trust 
> > me...the time may come when you will be very glad you saved 
> > Pettigrew's life."
> > 
[more snipping] 
  And not to my 
> surprise, 
> > nowhere in the definition of "vanquish" does it mention the word 
> > death.  Defeat, yes.  Kill?  Not necessarily!
> > 
> > Therefore, our hero can remain the vanquisher without having to 
> > commit murder, leaving him untainted, and at least in this one 
> > respect, allowing him to keep his childish innocence. Someone has to 
> > die, this is definite, but never does it say that Harry has to 
> > actually do the dirty deed himself! 


Pat, way out in left field:

I personally still think that Harry, in some way, has to be the one, 
and only one, to bring about the demise of Voldemort--not by killing 
him, but by causing that thing that Dumbledore says is worse than 
death--no idea what that might be though.

That being said though, I had a really whacky thought.  JKR's 
extensive use of the Time Turner has always baffeled me.  Then the 
whole time thing comes up again at the MOM with the room with all 
the clocks, the DE falling into the bell jar, and the Time Turners 
falling and restoring themselves on the shelves.  There is also a 
reference to time when Snape is teaching Harry occlumency.  He tells 
hims that time and space matter in magic.


In POA, when Hermione is explaining the Time Turner to Harry, she 
tells him how important it is that they not see themselves, because 
when that has happened to other wizards, the results have been 
terrible.

Now, all that leads me back to COS, when Harry meets Riddle in the 
Chamber of Secrets and Tom tells him who he really is.  Harry asks 
Tom why he cares how he escaped from Voldemort as a baby.  And Tom 
Riddle says:

"Voldemort is my past, present, and future, Harry Potter...." (COS, 
Ch ap.17, p. 313, US)  He then rearranges the letters in his name to 
say "I Am Lord Voldemort".

So, (you know, it's awful trying to explain a long train of 
thought)...is it possible that Voldemort, preserved somehow in an 
other part of his life (like he did with the Tom Riddle diary), or 
by using a Time Turner, will end up doing himself in, perhaps aided 
in some way by Harry?  That would fit with the prophecy 
that "neither can live while the other survives..."

I know that whole thing is really far-fetched, and don't 
particularly buy it myself, but sometimes in reading the wording of 
the Prophecy, I find that I really start grasping at straws.  I'm 
hoping that someone else will be able to use some of my randomness 
and make something coherent out of it. LOL

Pat, who has just confused herself