Case for Marauders (was Re: Marauders, Voldemort and the Map)

[M.Clifford]

No: HPFGUIDX 109915

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "romulusmmcdougal" 
<romulus at h...> wrote:
> James would join the Death Eaters if his friends like Lupin and 
> Pettigrew said "Hey that would be a cool thing to do!"

Valky:
Arrrrrrgh! Wait Up!!! 
I was leaving just now.
I had finished my posting today.

What is this I hear? James Potter a DE? 
HARK the Call of Duty beckons, I made a promise. 
AND I will NOT STAND for THIS!!!!

Who DARES challenge the Fox to another duel .... : she scans the 
room with narrowed eyes.
(Not personal just getting into character ;D)

AHA! R.M.M.

RMM
> You denigrate Lupin's influence here too much.  Granted he 
couldn't maintain control over Sirius and James, but he himself said 
that HE LED THEM into becoming anamagi.  So, if it came to something 
dangerous and exciting, and Lupin said YES, then they did it.  See 
more below on Lupin.
> 

Valky:
Watch out for the quiet ones, eh? ..... 
Well, I wonder how you explain Remus in almost the same breath 
having said how terrified he was that his friends would *desert* him 
when they discovered he was a WereWolf. 



RMM:
> Powerful magic, in my mind, is probably very intoxicating.
If Professor Voldemort is teaching at Hogwarts, and I believe that 
he was, then he would certainly impress the students with his 
knowledge of DADA. 
> 

Valky:
You are good at timelines so rationalise how Lord Voldemort could be 
a teacher at Hogwarts for me.... please... ;P 
[sinister smirk appearing on the Fox's face]
While still of course allowing for the DE James to have happened 
during 6th year..... and allowing Harry's birth to occur at the 
correct time... and also keeping a distinct and recognisable ten 
year war in tact..... Good Luck...


> KathyK:
> >  There is *nothing* to back up a claim that he 
> > performed Dark Arts while the canon that he hated said Dark Arts 
> 
> RMM:

> I think you need to establish the fact that just because James 
Potter hated the Dark Arts that he did not perform them, before you 
can discount what I am saying about James Potter and his performing 
the dark arts. James had no problem doing all that illegal and 
dangerous stuff regarding animagism.  He would be a perfect 
candidate for entry into a higher realm of powerful magic. After 
all, is there a class at Hogwarts that differientates for the 
students what is Dark Arts and what is not? I believe that is left 
with the DADA teacher no?  And if the DADA teacher is teaching you 
powerful and impressive stuff, and he is after all the DADA teacher, 
it must be good right? I get the impression that James Potter jumped 
in with both feet and he realized only later what he was actually 
doing and in hindsight hated the thought of what he had done.
>
 
Valky:
You are also being dismissive. 
Of the canon "James always hated the Dark Arts"

For a start you need to prove that, not just any Hogwarts student, 
but specifically, *James* didn't know what the Dark Arts truly were. 
This canon statement from Sirius that 'James *always* hated the Dark 
Arts' demonstrates in complete context:

1 James knew what Dark Arts were from as far back a Sirius remembers 
knowing him. = James *always*

2 He Hated them! = *hated*

3 He did not confuse Dark Bloodlines with Dark Arts because this is  
Sirius talking....... (Sirius *is* the magnetic North of 
demonstrating that this confusion exists. And even up to the moment 
when choosing Secret Keepers James still was able to make the clear 
distinction between Dark Blood-Sirius and Dark Arts-DE.) 
= *The Dark Arts*


4 This canon is delivered in relating to the context of James 
behaviour at the end of his 5th year by an adult some twenty years 
later. Hence we can presume that, to some degree, Sirius accurately 
recalls "5th year James" as being opposed directly to DARK ARTS; and 
knowing what they are; and not confused about what they are either. 
= *Closure*


> KathyK:
>  For what?  The sake of cozying up to Voldemort who stands for 
soemthing else he disdains, Pure Bloodism?
> 
> RMM:
> James Potter disdains Pure Bloodism?  Where does canon say that?
> Are you, like Nora, equating Pure Bloodism with the Dark Arts?
> Big mistake if you are.
> 


Valky:
In Snapes worst memory for a start; 'Apologise to Evans' ring a bell?
'I'd NEVER call you a you-know-what' he says to Lily and the 
emphasis on "never" is JAMES OWN, not mine!
Pure bloodism does get brought up somewhere else in relation to 
James.. but I can't find it. I recall its definately in support of 
Kathy's claim, though.

Fox surveys the destruction at her feet for a moment then 
straightens her collar and spins on her heel. She marches out not 
closing the door behind her.

Bets to you