A Case for Marauders

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No: HPFGUIDX 109980

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "Amey Chinchorkar" 
<sherlockholme_ac at r...> wrote:
> Amey:
> We have a canon that he was not recognized (still is not 
recognized) as Tom Riddle by many. So he had no history. He was not 
the person who was Head Boy, he was a totally new person
 and he
was 
harping on pureblood thing
 I agree he might not have any bad 
reputation, but then he had no reputation... do you think Dumbledore 
would agree to take him as a teacher without proper background (even 
LockHart had a reputation)

RMM:
No, I do not believe that Dumbledore would take anyone on without 
good references.
And that is where the Head of Durmstrang comes into play.
Igor Karkaroff, I speculate, had Voldemort teaching at Durmstrang for 
a time.  Maybe, maybe not.
However, we know that Karkaroff is a LV disciple.
Karkaroff gives Dumbledore a glowing reference for this Lord 
Voldemort.  "He is a very good teacher, and I highly recommend him 
for the open position at Hogwarts. - signed I. Karkaroff, Headmaster 
Durmstrang"

> 
> -	RMM:
> -	Like the Polyjuice Potion for one?  Knocking out a person and 
keeping
> -	them under wraps while you impersonate them?  You know, like 
stealing
> -	someone's identity?  
> -	Well, I know three 2nd years that did exactly that.  But 
that's okay..
> -	. they were just kids.
> -	As far and Good and Bad are concerned there was absolutely no
> -	difference between what Harry, Ron, and Hermione did and what 
B.
> -	Crouch Jr. did.
> 
> Amey:
> Ok, there are 3 persons who kill another person. One of them get 
life sentence, second gets 5  yrs jail, third gets a medal. Now what 
is the difference between them? The first person commited cold-
blooded murder (he is a murderer), the second killed in self-defence 
and the third person killed on duty (a soldier or law-enforcer). 
> Barty Crouch Jr. did what he did for his personal gain, and he 
tried to kill Harry. The trio were trying to get to the truth, they 
had no intention of killing or harming anyone.

RMM:
Certainly mitigating circumstances help to constitute the seriousness 
of the crime.  However, in all the cases I enumerate, the same type 
of violations of another person took place.
The SITUATION cannot make what was wrong now right.
Taking the above examples you provide, only the first applies here.  
Harry, Hermione, and Ron did not do what they did in self-defence nor 
did they do it as part of an official agency.  
They did it on the sly, just as B. Crouch Jr. did it.
Intention has nothing to do with violation of the law, that is, the 
End does not Justify the Means.
That is an anti-civilized mentality.

> Amey:
> SO you mean at 15 he and Sirius tried Dark Arts and dabbled in 
PureBlood theory and at 16, Sirius left his parents' home because
he 
hated all these things. In 1 year, he changed so much????

RMM:
I don't know what stuff you are reading, because what you say makes 
no sense to me.  Please re-phrase the question.

> Amey:
> He did not even mention the word, he was so pissed off with that 
word.

RMM:  Not necessarily.  He KNEW Lily WAS UPSET with the word. - so 
why repeat it and make Lily more upset?

> -	RMM:
> -	However, I will use the fact that there has been a change in 
James
> -	that Lily now sees him as attractive where she saw him as a 
jerk
> -	before.
> -	This change can be partially explained by a separation 
between the
> -	two
> -	troublemakers - Sirius and James.  James probably became a 
little
> -	more
> -	mature outside the influence of his best buddy.
> -	So, there may be a double reason why James has altered his 
ego to the
> -	point that Lily now sees him in a different light and now 
begins to
> -	go
> -	out with him.  (The other reason being James entry into the 
world of
> -	Voldemort.)
> 
> Amey:
> Out of influence of Sirius? Do you mean that James and Sirius were 
> going apart? Show me canon for this please


RMM:
Well, getting into trouble is implied by the way the two fed off each 
other.  They were best friends. Together they were jerks, and Sirius 
admitted it.
Secondly Sirius' comment:
<<'Your dad's place,' said Sirius. 'Your grandparents were really 
good about it; they sort of adopted me as a second son. Yeah, I 
camped out at your dad's in the school holidays, and when I was 
seventeen I got a place of my own. My Uncle Alphard had left me a 
decent bit of gold - he's been wiped off here, too, that's probably 
why - anyway, after that I looked after myself. I was always welcome 
at Mr and Mrs Potter's for Sunday lunch, though.'>>

Always welcome at Mr. and Mrs. Potter's for Sunday lunch .....THOUGH?
THOUGH?

"Though" means "in spite of the fact that"

So, in spite of the fact that Sirius looked after himself, he was 
always welcome at Mr. and Mrs. Potter for Sunday lunch?

What sense does that make?

Are we to take this to mean that if Sirius wasn't looking after 
himself, then he would be more welcome at the Potters?

It's nonsense.

The only sense one can make of Sirius' statement is:  In spite of the 
fact that I was not associating with James any more, I was always 
welcome at "Mr. and Mrs." Potter for Sunday lunch.

And please note he says "Mr. and Mrs.".  Why not say -- I was always 
welcome at the Potters for Sunday lunch.  Why distinguish between the 
parents and James?  Because I aver that James and he were not on 
speaking terms.
And you ask:  How can best friends be that way?
Well, I answer:  Ron and Harry sure had a rough time communicating 
for 
awhile in GoF didn't they?

> Amey:
> When did Lupin become a leader of marauders?? Sirius and James had 
that place jointly, if we believe canon.

RMM:
Well Dumbledore made Lupin a prefect so he could have some influence 
over Sirius and James.
Second, Lupin himself admits to LEADING James, Sirius, and Peter into 
becoming animagi.
Third, Sirius implies Lupin's authority in the group when he 
said that Lupin did not exercise much control over the two of them.
To "exercise control" is to lead.
I acknowledged already that Lupin was a poor leader in the group.  He 
let James and Sirius get out of hand.  And he admits that.

> Amey, who would love to see how a person can change so much in just 
one year

RMM:
I changed a lot between my junior and senior years at high school.
I am sure others have as well.

RMM
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