Who stuns Sirius? (was Re: The Veil)

[dzeytoun]

No: HPFGUIDX 111050

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "cdayr" <cdayr at y...> wrote:
> 
> 
> I think it was Dumbledore. I think the big realization that DD 
> comes to at the end of OotP has huge implications for how he is 
> going to deal with Harry in the future. He will no longer be able 
to 
> protect him from the harsh reality of the war and of his role in 
this 
> epic struggle. In effect, he believes that by caring too deeply for 
> Harry, he has created incredibly risky situations. He needs to 
> stop putting Harry's feelings first and do what has to be done. He 
> also realizes that Sirius is a big liability to the security of the 
> Order. He takes too many risks. More importantly, LV now knows 
> that he has a huge weapon against Harry, the person he cares 
> about as "father and brother." DD realizes that he must separate 
> Harry from Sirius, both for the safety of the order and the success 
> of the fight.
> 
> By killing Sirius, DD actually dredges up in Harry the intensity of 
> emotion that makes it possible for him to defend himself against 
> LV's possession. It is only when Harry starts thinking about 
> Sirius ("And I'll see Sirius again
" (OotP, 36)) that
> Voldemort 
> can no longer possess him and has to flee. Later DD says to 
> Harry, "On the contrary
the fact that you can feel pain like this
> is 
> your greatest strength." (OotP, 37)
> 
> IMO, Dumbledore sees that by protecting Harry, he has lessened 
> his ability to feel the deep pain and love that will eventually be 
> LV's downfall. DD kills Sirius in a very painless and easy 
> manner, but a manner in which he activates Harry's "greatest 
> strength." 
> 
> I don't think DD is ESE- I just think that he realized Sirius had
> to 
> be a sacrifice to raise Harry's love/heart/passion to a new,
> higher 
> level. 
> 
> Harsh, eh? But what do you all think?
> 
> CDR – Who has lurked for months but only posted once before, 
> and still wants to talk about Hagrid, Riddle, and "the traveler" in 
> CoS if anyone wants to (106761)!

Frankly, I think this has to be the silliest idea I've heard in a 
very long time.  To wit:

1) Basing an opinion on the panicked, self-defensive babbling of a 
half-crazed known murderess is not very sound argument;

2) Dumbledore would basically be saying, "I love you and I'm so very 
sorry I've hurt you so I just hurt you more to make things better."  
Yeah, right;

3) Harry's love and pain are increased but so are his rage and guilt -
 hardly a very wise game plan unless Dumbledore is the stupidest 
general since Westmoreland;

4) If Dumbledore wanted to get rid of Sirius there are thousands of 
surer and safer ways to do it (e.g. what if someone had seen him fire 
the stunner?). The supposition that he formulated all of this 
elaborate plot in the instant he saw Sirius in front of the veil is 
REALLY stretching it - to the point of frank absurdity;

5) This is, as has been said time and again,  a children's series, or 
at least a series read by millions of children.  You DON'T do things 
like that in children's books;

6) The statement on JKR's part that "Dumbledore is goodness" rather 
comes apart if he is guilty of such a thing;

and, last but not least,

7) The whole notion is too bizarre to be countenanced even as a 
starting premise.

Dzeytoun