Who stuns Sirius? (was Re: The Veil)

[dumbledore11214]

No: HPFGUIDX 111051

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "dzeytoun" <dzeytoun at c...> 
wrote:

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> 2) Dumbledore would basically be saying, "I love you and I'm so 
very 
> sorry I've hurt you so I just hurt you more to make things 
better."  
> Yeah, right;
> 
> 3) Harry's love and pain are increased but so are his rage and 
guilt -
>  hardly a very wise game plan unless Dumbledore is the stupidest 
> general since Westmoreland;



Alla:


LOL! Yes, definitely. Can you imagine what happens if Harry by some 
accident learns that Dumbledore killed Sirius?
I wonder, would he be ready and willing to fight for Dumbledore's 
cause after he learns that Dumbledore killed his Godfather?

What would be Dumbledore's justification then? Oh, yes :"I killed 
him in easy and painless manner" to increase your ability to fight 
Voldie.
I wonder how soon after such conversation Harry decides to join 
Voldie. :o)

The more logical way would be REALLY starting training Harry to help 
him survive, if Dumbledore feels that he cannot change his destiny.


I am almost convinced that Dumbledore manipulates the eventns 
because he knows what happened in the past or what will happen 
according to his version of the events.
(I come to think more and more often that some kind of time travel 
was or will be involved, no matter how much I dislike it)


But, I absolutely don't believe the notion that Dumbledore is a 
manipulator in a sense that Harry as Harry, not as weapon is 
unimportant for him.


Yes, getting rid of Voldie is important, but I think that Dumbledore 
tries his best to help Harry survive the encounter.

It is very difficult to balance one life against many, but I believe 
that Dumbledore tries, because if he does not, he is really no 
better than Voldemort, IMO.


Dzeytoun:
>> 6) The statement on JKR's part that "Dumbledore is goodness" 
rather 
> comes apart if he is guilty of such a thing;
> 


Alla:

Yep.