Snape's Revenge on Voldemort (His DE past)

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No: HPFGUIDX 111221

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "Brenda M." <Agent_Maxine_is at h...> wrote:
> 
> Brenda now:
> I agree with pretty much everything else you said, except for "DD 
> being devious". To me, leaving Harry with the Dursley to prevent fame-
> contamination was a very prudent guidance. He's looking at the long-
> term development of Harry as a whole. Become a person before anything 
> else. Yes, the 10 years of loveless life is very cruel and fatal to a 
> growing child indeed, but IMO Dumbledore believed Harry would be 
> strong enough to fight it.
>
Kneasy:
Of course he was being devious (again)!
Voldy had vanished in the debacle of Godric's Hollow.
According to DD (and canon) nobody knew what had happened to him -
yet within 24 hours DD was stuffing a cuckoo into the Dursley nest. Why?
What did he know? A hell of a lot more than he's admitting IMO.
Harry  is his down  card in a game of stud poker - something that
could be useful if things haven't turned out for the best, but what were 
the chances that he'd be needed? The odds looked slim at the time, but
DD covered all eventualities. If that isn't being devious I don't know
what is. 
> 
> Brenda:
> 
> So following your logic, Snape is keeping up with the "I Hate 
> James... Harry I mean" front to everyone except DD? Including 
> Hogwarts' staffs (except for perhaps McGonagall and Filch?) and 
> students? Because it was Quirrell who tells Harry first, and DD just 
> admits it.
> 
> Just curious ;)

Kneasy:
But does he really? When other adults are around he seems to be much
scathing of Neville than of Harry. Besides, how many of the Hogwarts 
staff are in the Order? Hagrid  (who follows DD's lead as if he were on
it like a lap-dog) and perhaps Minerva. She's been seen once in the
vicinity of Grimauld Place but I'm by no means certain that she is deep
in the councils of the war cabinet. 

It's odd - except for transients such as Lupin and Crouch!Moody, the
staff hardly ever pass comment about other members of staff. We really
have no idea how much they know about anything that's important to
the plot.
> 
> 
> Brenda:
> 
> The reason I believe Snape 'dislikes' Harry but not 
> necessarily 'hates', is that he shows far too much interest in Harry. 
> If you truly hate someone, you'll become indifferent and apathetic, 
> not keen. I think PoA movie showed it well, in the Great Hall on 
> Halloween night, when Snape asked DD "What should we tell Potter?" He 
> sounded like he cares!!!! [now running away from the Elves for movie 
> discussion]
> 
>
Kneasy:
Easy for me to ignore: i haven't seen the film and have no intention
of doing so - it ain't canon and therefore means nothing so far as I'm 
concerned.

> Brenda:
> 
> LOL, Snape giggling? That's an image I've never been able to conjure 
> up ;)
> 
Kneasy:
Of course Snape giggles - in the privacy of his own dungeon, naturally.
He's pulling the ovine pelt product over every one else's ocular orifices.
He'd just love that.

> 
> Brenda:
> 
> While this theory is good, I must ask you -- then why do you think 
> Voldemort trusts Snape? I'm basing this on the assumption that Snape 
> has returned to his DE regime and VM doesn't suspect him as traitor - 
> yet. Otherwise Snape would have gotten a blast of more scrutinizing 
> Legilimens and far greater torture. Or hire another potion maker to 
> brew the strongest Veritaserum, ensuring Snape hadn't taken the anti-
> truth potion. Pick your favorite, but I honestly think if DEs had 
> reasons to suspect Snape, his cover would have been discovered by now.
> 

Kneasy:
Another unwarranted assumption on the part of the fans.
I don't think Voldy does trust  Snape -  in fact I doubt he's even seen him
since Sevvy left the DE  Glee Club and they parted brass rags.
This 'spy' thing just doesn't hold water.
Snape gave evidence against some DEs and this is public knowledge. Voldy
seems a vindicative sort of cove to me.  At first sight Snape would be
greeted with the WW equivalent of the Blackpool illuminations -  all of
them coloured green. Sure, he's up to something, but spying? I don't
think so - and the fact that he so readily confirmed Harry's guess about
his activities just reinforces my opinion. 

No; Snape is "...the one who has left me forever."  But Sevvy keeps in 
contact with his old school chums - Lucius and the like. Old habits
die hard. Whether this has anything to do with his activities for the
Order is problematical; we don't know - unless Malfoy is hedging his
bets on who's likely to be the eventual winner -  which is something
I wouldn't put past him.

> 
> 
> >>> Kneasy before: And if DD answered differently he is the wrong 
> person to be leading the fight.
> > Harry is expendable *so long as they win*. In fact, everyone is 
> expendable so long as Voldy is defeated - even DD.
> >>> Then Alla: I think that if Dumbledore decided in advance that 
> > Harry is expendable or anybody is expendable as long as they win,
> > he will be the wrong person to lead the fight.
> 
> Brenda:
> 
> Well if you think about it, war is a lose-lose situation. You become 
> a victim either as part of Voldy's Expansion Project OR putting a 
> stop to the project. If the whole society is crumbling because of it, 
> and you have the power (or hold the key) in destroying the evil, why 
> not use it. It will be the most logical and right move to make.
> 
> This is why I have no problem with DD using Harry as the 'Weapon' -- 
> the psychopath is after Harry anyway. He wants to kill Harry more 
> than anything! So why not take the advantage of it?

Kneasy:
True.
There is no point in fighting Voldy if sacrifices will not be made, because
then Voldy will win.  He has the entire WW in a hostage situation - "Give
me what I want or  I start killing." DD  is not sentimental - go back to the
start of PS/SS  and see how much regret and emotion he shows  over the
deaths of James and Lily - absolutely none. He may even have surmised
that their deaths were inevitable or necessary before the event. Why else
admit to placing spells that would save Harry? And believe me, Harry is
going to be mighty pissed when the details of the little chat he and DD 
had at the end of OoP finally sinks in.

Besides, we have already been introduced to the necessity of sacrifice 
in the chess game. Ron saw that sacrificing himself was necessary and 
did it - even though at the time he had no certainty that he would survive.

> 
> Kneasy:
> >>> As to the final scenes, well, I've postulated that Snape will get 
> rubbed out before the end - probably saving Harry's skin after some 
> foolish but hardly untypical act of stupidity. I just hope that he 
> sees his revenge as inevitable by that time. I can't imagine him 
> living on, becoming an old curmudgeon, grumping about Hogwarts.
> > 
> > But as he lies breathing his last, as Harry leans over him his last 
> words, spoken with a sneer, will be "Get on with it Potter. Do 
> something right for once." <<<
> 
> HAHAHAHHA. You 'forgot' to add this part:
> 
> Then he travels to the next advanture to see James and Sirius. Sevvy 
> tells him, "You saved my life, I saved your son's life. Now we're 
> even." And the eternity of hexing each other begins all over again!!! 
> <giggles>
> 
>
Kneasy:
No - Snape is ahead on points 'cos James didn't die saving Sevvy
whereas Sevvy did die saving Harry. James will owe him, much to Snape's
intense satisfaction -  "Polish my aura, Potter. And don't miss out on the
bit at the back like you did last time."