Snape's DE past (was Re: Snape and the Edinburgh Festival )

[justcarol67]

No: HPFGUIDX 111252

HumanTupperware wrote:
> 
> Your post got me thinking, not so much "why" Snape left the DE, but
if he turned into a spy for Dumbldore's side, how has he convinced
Voldy that he is still loyal? Apart from the Occlumency, which I'm
sure comes in handy, Voldemort surely knows that Snape works at
Hogwarts, so somehow, his teaching position must be justified to Voldy.
> 
> I'm sure I surmised somewhere during the books that Snape had been
spying for Dumbledore in the days before Voldy was vanquished, then
afterwards had actually manged to leave the DE for a while, but then
returned, (at the end of GOF?) to spy for Dumbledore again. Sure, he
would have gotten the teaching position at Hogwarts after Voldy's
vanquishment, but did he maintain to the remaining DE that he was at
Hogwarts to spy on Dumbledore?  If he then returned to Voldy after
GOF, for him to justify keeping his teaching position, he must be
telling Voldy some information, maybe pretending to spy on Dumbledore,
but giving fake information?  
> Do Snape and Dumbledore get together once a week to make up stories
to tell Voldy? 

Carol:
Suppose that he took the position *before* Godric's Hollow, before the
beginning of term, when a position was most likely to be open and
advertised for. His real motive, of course, would be to get away from
Voldemort and the DEs and to be close to Dumbledore, for whom he was
already working as a spy, but he could have told Voldemort that he was
applying to spy *on* Dumbledore. There would have been a mere two
months in which he would have had to pass on some sort of fake
information, certainly with the advice and approval of Dumbledore, and
 ten long years during which Voldemort was out of the picture (though
I imagine that neither Snape nor Dumbledore believed that he was gone
forever).

Snape would not have been expected to return to Voldemort until the
night at the graveyard in GoF. IMO, he must have persuaded Lucius
Malfoy, who in turn half-persuaded Voldemort, that Snape had no choice
but to remain at Hogwarts because you can't apparate from the grounds
and he had to stay near Dumbledore at the tournament to avoid arousing
suspicion. I say half-persuaded, because Voldemort knows that Snape
tried to thwart Quirrell's efforts to kill Harry and steal the
philosopher's stone and because he may have heard from Crouch!Moody
that Snape was loyal to Dumbledore. Voldemort would want the
connection between Lucius and Severus to continue as long as it
provides him with useful information even if he still (rightly)
believes Snape to be disloyal. If he has also made a connection
between Snape and the appearance of the Order at the MoM, then Snape
is almost certainly back on his hit list and is once again "the one
who I believe has left me forever" and who will be killed *if*
Voldemort has his way.

Fortunately for us Snape fans, Voldemort is not a prophet and has a
way of causing his own best-laid plans to "gang aglay."


HumanTupperware wrote:

> I am also assuming in all this that Snape is not ESE, merely very
very nasty to Harry.

Carol:
I share that assumption.

Carol