Harry's Protection (was Re: Questions)

[M.Clifford]

No: HPFGUIDX 119110


 
> > Kneasy:
> > > I posted (a few months back) that the 'Ancient Magic' that 
protects Harry is only effective against Voldemort 
> > 
> > Valky:
> > Yes I agree with you Kneasy, I believe the blood protection and 
the surge that repelled Vernon Dursley are not the same power. The 
> > former being the force that caused Quirrelmorts *hands to burn* 
and the latter, perhaps a completely different power that the Dark 
Lord knows *not*. 
> > 
> > 
> 
> Kneasy:
> Hum.  I've been remiss in not making my thinking clear, it seems.
> I don't think the 'Ancient Magic' and the 'blood protection' are 
the same thing. I kind of get the impression you do - correct me if 
I'm wrong.
> 
> OK. Rough outline of what I think we've got/had so far:
> 
> 1. Ancient Magic: this is what blew Voldy's mind at GH, caused
> Quirrell to go to pieces and was nullified in the graveyard.
> It is/was specific against the *physical* Voldemort/Voldy!Possessed
> *only*. And it no longer works. Voldy can touch him.
> 
> 2. Blood  protection: a separate magic that protects Harry within
> the confines of his relative's home *only*. No clear instance of 
how it works, but it possibly keeps Harry safe from the attentions of
> DEs and other wizards who wish him ill *while he is at home*.
>

Valky:
Yes you are correct, I had seen the Ancient magic and the Blood 
protection as the same thing, or at least as one being the direct 
counterpart of the other. So when you said ancient magic I assumed 
you also meant blood protection.


Kneasy: 
> 3. 'Automatic' wandless magic. Protects Harry from harm that
> might come from non-magical sources, i.e. Vernon, school gangs.
> May be innate in all wizards, not just Harry. Works anywhere.
> 
> It may seem a comprehensive set of shielding, but there are gaps
> that nasty stuff can creep through, hence the Little Whinging 
> Dementors. They were not Voldy, not attacking while he was
> physically in the Dursley house, and they were magical. None of
> the protections applied.
> 

Valky:
I am on the same page now. Thanks


Kneasy:
> Similarly, it should be possible for, say Bella to attack him in 
the street, but not while he is in the house. I believe that the 
blood protection is still working. Inside No. 4 Privet Drive he 
would still be safe from Voldy, despite the fact that the Ancient 
Magic has now been overcome, otherwise why keep sending him back 
there?  
>

Valky:
Yes I agree, except that it casts a shadow over Voldies assumption 
that *he* had overcome it, by taking Harry's blood. I know it's wise 
to accept the simple explanation, but I am finding that difficult. I 
need to extricate one result from the other and see the difference 
between them, if you understand what I am saying.

>  
> > 
> > Valky:
> > Yes, here is the crux of my investigation. We are given the 
prophecy in OOtP and we are told that Harry has a power that the 
Dark Lord does *not* know of. I expect quite some foreshadowing of 
this power in action has also been given to us through the course of 
the series.
> all that has been thoroughly discussed by DD, Voldemort and Harry 
is the *touch* of his skin bearing the protection of his mothers 
love.
> > 
> 
> Kneasy:
> Yep.  That power. Something else again, I think - and separate from
> the various protections. Everyone wants to know what it is and how
> it can crunch Voldy. 
> 

Valky:
Now I think I see here that you are considering the *touch* of 
Harry's skin to be the power that Voldemort does not know. 
DD says in GOF something like 'hmm yes he has overcome *that 
particular* obstacle. Meaning he can now touch Harry.
Then in OOtP Voldemort encounters the unbearable *touch* of Love 
*inside* Harry, so I see what you mean.
Outside, Inside, then where?
>


Kneasy:
> It must be something specific to Harry. 
> The only thing that Harry has that no-one else has is a bit of 
Voldy in his mind. It's the only thing that can't be replicated by 
DD. This is why I spent so much time whittering on about Possession.
> To be boring: IMO Voldy is a combination of Tom and Salazar
> essence/spirit, call it what you may. Harry is a combination of
> Harry and Voldy. If Harry can force Voldy from inside his mind, 
then Tom could follow his example and force Sally from his. I think 
Tom and Sally have a pact, probably involving power and immortality, 
DD knows it and that's why he keeps appealing to Tom rather than 
Voldy, and tells him there are worse things than death - eternal 
slavery, maybe.

Valky:
I like that your theory correlates the purpose of the founders. I 
agree that Hogwarts' destiny, and Harry's are intertwined in some 
way. So though I don't agree with *everything* you say, I think it's 
rather likely that Voldemort has some *present* connection to Sally, 
and that it will come into play. 
But you didn't want anyone to agree with you, did you, oops. :D


> Valky:
> > There are two other mysteries about Harry's protection, one is 
the protection of the Durselys home, and the other is the 
*impossible to hold by the throat (strangle)* Harry. > > 
> 
> Kneasy:
> Not quite impossible to hold by the throat. 
> Sirius was doing quite well in trying to throttle Harry in the 
Shrieking  Shack. It took a kick from Hermione to make him let go. 


Valky:
Oooh, darn it, I really need my books back!!
I would like to see that passage for myself, that's very important 
to my dig. Can anyone, please, quote it for me... Gosh I am sorry to 
be asking for so many quotes.





> By splitting the protection into various specificities JKR has 
enlarged the playground. One comprehensive protection would be a bit 
boring IMO. It would make Harry too safe -  certainly for my tastes.
> 
> But it still doesn't explain why DD was so pleased.
> In fact I've posited that removal of the anti-Voldy spell has made 
Harry a lot more vulnerable. It's removed any restraints on that bit 
in his mind.

Valky:
Hence requiring Harry to become what he needs to be. A kind of tough 
love thing, and therefore the gleam means that LV doesn't know he 
has helped Harry unleash the potential.


Kneasy:
> It's why he was so open to Voldy thoughts and images in OoP, it's 
why he seems such an unpleasant character in OoP. 
> The Voldy influence is growing from the inside.
> It'll be interesting to  see how Harry and DD deal with it.

Valky:
It will be interesting to see if Harry invades LV willingly, don't 
you think.