Harry's Protection (was Re: Questions)

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No: HPFGUIDX 119066


--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "M.Clifford" <Aisbelmon at h...> wrote:
> 
> Kneasy:
> > I posted (a few months back) that the 'Ancient Magic' that protects
> > Harry is only effective against Voldemort 
> 
> Valky:
> Yes I agree with you Kneasy, I believe the blood protection and the 
> surge that repelled Vernon Dursley are not the same power. The 
> former being the force that caused Quirrelmorts *hands to burn* and 
> the latter, perhaps a completely different power that the Dark Lord 
> knows *not*. 
> 
> 

Kneasy:
Hum.  I've been remiss in not making my thinking clear, it seems.
I don't think the 'Ancient Magic' and the 'blood protection' are the
same thing. I kind of get the impression you do - correct me if I'm
wrong.

OK. Rough outline of what I think we've got/had so far:

1. Ancient Magic: this is what blew Voldy's mind at GH, caused
Quirrell to go to pieces and was nullified in the graveyard.
It is/was specific against the *physical* Voldemort/Voldy!Possessed
*only*. And it no longer works. Voldy can touch him.

2. Blood  protection: a separate magic that protects Harry within
the confines of his relative's home *only*. No clear instance of how
it works, but it possibly keeps Harry safe from the attentions of
DEs and other wizards who wish him ill *while he is at home*.

3. 'Automatic' wandless magic. Protects Harry from harm that
might come from non-magical sources, i.e. Vernon, school gangs.
May be innate in all wizards, not just Harry. Works anywhere.

It may seem a comprehensive set of shielding, but there are gaps
that nasty stuff can creep through, hence the Little Whinging 
Dementors. They were not Voldy, not attacking while he was
physically in the Dursley house, and they were magical. None of
the protections applied.

Similarly, it should be possible for, say Bella to attack him in the 
street, but not while he is in the house. I believe that the blood 
protection is still working. Inside No. 4 Privet Drive he would still
be safe from Voldy, despite the fact that the Ancient Magic has
now been overcome, otherwise why keep sending him back there?  

 
> Valky:
> It could well be all this that you say here Kneasy, but thats not 
> very exciting. ;D
> 

Kneasy:
Ah, a thrill seeker! Yearning for a roller-coaster ride to the outer
reaches of BANGy theory. Don't blame you, it can be fun.

> 
> Valky:
> Yes, here is the crux of my investigation. We are given the prophecy 
> in OOtP and we are told that Harry has a power that the Dark Lord 
> does *not* know of. I expect quite some foreshadowing of this power 
> in action has also been given to us through the course of the series.
> I am looking in only four passages and so far it is adding up. 
> As was quoted for me by Geoff Bannister in an earlier post, so far 
> all that has been thoroughly discussed by DD, Voldemort and Harry is 
> the *touch* of his skin bearing the protection of his mothers love.
> 

Kneasy:
Yep.  That power. Something else again, I think - and separate from
the various protections. Everyone wants to know what it is and how
it can crunch Voldy. 

It must be something specific to Harry. 
The protections were *emplaced* and I can't see any reason why 
they couldn't be provided for other wizards too, particularly as the
one relating to Lily's 'sacrifice' - the anti-Voldy one - has now gone.
The only thing that Harry has that no-one else has is a bit of Voldy
in his mind. It's the only thing that can't be replicated by DD.

This is why I spent so much time whittering on about Possession.
To be boring: IMO Voldy is a combination of Tom and Salazar
essence/spirit, call it what you may. Harry is a combination of
Harry and Voldy. If Harry can force Voldy from inside his mind, then
Tom could follow his example and force Sally from his. I think Tom
and Sally have a pact, probably involving power and immortality, DD 
knows it and that's why he keeps appealing to Tom rather than Voldy,
and tells him there are worse things than death - eternal slavery, maybe.
If Tom makes a break  for freedom he'll probably die without the
Sally life-support that keeps him going. But Sally will be reduced
to what he was before he leeched onto Tom in the Chamber.
Tom gets a  kind of redemption through sacrificing his 'life' and
Sally ends up gnashing his non-existent dentures as a weakened,
non-corporate spirit that could be imprisioned/destroyed.

Could be a lot of fun. Almost nobody agrees with me of course.
"That Kneasy;  gets strange ideas, you know. Very  sad."
No sympathy required: I *revel* in it. It's why I'm here.  

Valky:
> There are two other mysteries about Harry's protection, one is the 
> protection of the Durselys home, and the other is the *impossible to 
> hold by the throat (strangle)* Harry. IMO JKR has given us almost 
> all that she will ever give about the home, I am sure that most will 
> agree that it seems that protection is wearing at the edges now and 
> will soon be a moot point because it will be gone. However, the 
> impossible to hold Harry is quite a new emergence in the series, and 
> Voldemort seems to know nothing about it.
> 

Kneasy:
Not quite impossible to hold by the throat. 
Sirius was doing quite well in trying to throttle Harry in the Shrieking 
Shack. It took a kick from Hermione to make him let go. There was
no magical protection. This backs up my contention re: the Ancient
Magic being anti-Voldy only and automatic magic being Muggle world
protection only.

By splitting the protection into various specificities JKR has enlarged the
playground. One comprehensive protection would be a bit boring IMO.
It would make Harry too safe -  certainly for my tastes.

But it still doesn't explain why DD was so pleased.
In fact I've posited that removal of the anti-Voldy spell has made Harry
a lot more vulnerable. It's removed any restraints on that bit in his mind.
It's why he was so open to Voldy thoughts and images in OoP, it's why
he seems such an unpleasant character in OoP. 
The Voldy influence is growing from the inside.
It'll be interesting to  see how Harry and DD deal with it.