Detached?Lupin

pippin_999 foxmoth at qnet.com
Fri Dec 3 15:59:48 UTC 2004


No: HPFGUIDX 119150


--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "Jen Reese" 
<stevejjen at e...> wrote:
> 
> > Pippin:
> > Once JKR has established a character's pattern of speech, 
does  she have to keep repeating herself? Or can she do what 
 English-speaking writers are encouraged to do, and keep the 
adverb tags to a minimum when constructing dialogue?
> > 
> >  What tone of voice do you impute to "I need scarcely say that 
I  failed dismally." ?  (OOP ch 9)   
> 
> Jen: We have proof beyond a shadow of a doubt that JKR loves 
> adverbs, and generally uses them with great abandon. I see 
no reason why she would scrimp on Lupin.<

Pippin:
But she *does* scrimp on Lupin. We're very often left to guess, or 
at least that is my impression. LOONS?

> 
> Pippin: 
> > Lupin comforts other characters when it won't cost him 
anything  to do so... but he detaches from people and creatures 
all too  easily. Look at the way he disposes of the dark creatures 
he  cared for in PoA, compared to the way everyone else feels 
about  losing their pets in that book.  
> 
> Jen: Disposed of dark creatures? I know you will have canon 
for this  Pippin. <

Pippin:
"Forward Neville, and finish him off!" PoA ch 7. What happened to 
the others, we don't know, but the one we do know about was 
destroyed.

Jen:
In my mind when I read POA, I immediately assumed the dark 
creatures were released into the Forbidden Forest or given to 
Hagrid  to find good homes ;). Now, I have no canon for that, just 
pointing out where my imagination took me based on my 
perception of the  character.

Pippin:
Unfortunately my imagination, based on my perception of the 
character, leads me to quite a different place. I have the same 
problem with him comforting the werewolf in OOP. 


I want to know if Lupin had an alibi for the night the poor fellow 
was bitten, and while my imagination happily conjures Moony 
and Padfoot in a dozy heap by the fireside, the canon insists on 
showing me Sirius, two weeks past full moon, unkempt, boozy, 
up late with his guttering candle after a solitary supper  and every 
inch the jilted spouse. 
 

> Jen: JKR seems to view evil as a choice problem more than 
anything.  A concious choice to pursue a worldview, a community 
and a doctrine  that gives rise to oppression, prejudice, and 
corrupt or extremist  activities. So far Lupin has not been indicted 
as one of these  people.<

 We have no evidence Lupin has engaged in pure-blood  
ideaology, Muggle torture, employment within a corrupt 
government,  or affiliation with people engaging in nefarious 
activities<

Pippin:
We don't?

Trying to kill Peter was extremist activity, at least Harry thought 
so.  

Failing to inform on Sirius was abetting someone whom he 
believed had engaged in pure blood ideology, Muggle torture 
and affiliation with people engaging in nefarious activities.  

 Lupin's job was more important to him than Harry's skin, and if 
that wasn't choosing power over love, what is?

Lupin didn't have paranoid, sadistic reasons for those choices, 
but my point is, he didn't have to. Selfishness and detachment 
were enough.

Pippin







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