CHAPTER DISCUSSION: Chapter 33 - Fight and Flight

[mrs_sonofgib]

No: HPFGUIDX 119439


--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, AnitaKH <anita_hillin at y...> wrote:
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> With many thanks to PenapartElf, the following is respectfully
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> Chapter 33 – Fight and Flight
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> 2. Umbridge's months of arrogance and abuse of power finally meet
their match with the Centaurs.  How satisfied are we with this outcome?

I thoroughly enjoyed it!  I love her screams as she is being carried
off.  I loved how she kept digging her own grave (so to speak) with
every word she spoke to them (so arrogant!)  I mean, she clearly is so
full of herself that she would be so rude to a HERD of centaurs.  
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> 3. Hermione's remarks to the centaurs nearly spell doom for her and
Harry.  What does this say about her understanding of them?

Man, I just wanted Hermione to shut up!  With every word she spoke it
got worse and worse (kind of like Umbridge...).  She has the book
knowledge but clearly needs to work on her understanding of applying
some of that knowledge.
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> 4.  Grawp appears to remember Hermione, and he reaches for her.  How
dangerous is he at this point?

Well, by mere size he is still quite dangerous.  Seems he may be more
dangerous because of size and stupidity than because of malice (Hagrid
seems to have made some progress).  
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> 5. Harry and Ron try to discourage Ginny, Luna and Neville from
joining them to help Sirius in London.  Harry thinks, "...if he could
have chosen any member of the DA
 to join him in the attempt to rescue
Sirius, he would not have picked Ginny, Neville or Luna." (p. 671) 
Why are they so opposed to these specific people?

Well, Neville because he is Neville.  Neville is making progress
(hooray for Neville) but he still has his reputation to fight against.
 Remember when the DA first met and he had no partner.  I can think of
many times when Neville makes a blunder in practicing magic.  Ginny
was one of the younger members of the DA.  And Luna is ...  Luna
(again reputation, not necessarily magical ability).
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> 6.  In the forest, Harry appears to vent his fury at Hermione as an
outlet for his fear and anger at himself.  Is this a pattern?
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Well, yeah I guess...

> 7. Umbridge says to Harry: "The Ministry places a rather higher
value on my life than yours, I'm afraid." (P. 663)  Is this true in
fact or just in Umbridge's own mind?  How do her dealings  with the
centaurs reflect upon Umbridge's self-supposed importance?

> Ok.  This is the question I really wanted to get to.  Every time I
listen to OotP it makes me laugh.  I always think or comment to hubby,
"Yeah right!  Savior of the wizarding world or some ministry official
that is easily replaced!!!"  I guess she (in her self-important mind)
and some in the Ministry might value her life more but that is only
because they haven't got a clue.  If they knew who Harry is then
surely their opinion would be different.
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>  8. When Harry says, "Look, you three –" he pointed at Neville,
Ginny, and Luna, "you're not involved in this, you're not --" (p. 672)
which molly-coddling member of the Order does Harry seem to be channeling?
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>  Sounds a lot like Molly.  Poor Harry, he just can't catch a break.  
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 Thanks!  I love Order of the Phoenix and can't wait for the next few
chapter discussions!  We're getting to the good part (bad part?)!
~tina


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> akh, who is mystified why discussion point 7 won't format correctly
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