Angry Harry in HBP?

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No: HPFGUIDX 119574


--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, imamommy at s... wrote:
> 
> --- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "dumbledore11214" 
> <dumbledore11214 at y...> wrote:
> > 
> > Laurasia wrote:
> > An article in today's paper (Sydney Morning Herald, Dec 9 2004: 
> > http://smh.com.au/articles/2004/12/08/1102182348990.html ) had a 
> few 
> > comments from Fiona Boyle (author  of "A Muggle's Guide to Harry 
> > Potter")  in which she says she expects Harry to continue 
throwing 
> > temper tantrums in the next books. Whilst I don't think Harry 
will 
> > give up his angst that easily, I think it would be thematically 
> > better (and more representative of real-life coping) for Harry 
to 
> > act down, depressed and hopeless, not still angry.
> >> snip
> > I think the determination to fight Voldemort to the death and to 
> > accept his place in the prophecy should come only after Harry 
has 
> > surrendered to it all. I think for Harry to give up his strong 
> > Gryffindor traits of bravery and courage for a period of time 
will 
> > make his final battle with Voldemort much more powerful. He 
isn't 
> > brave and courageous because he has some innate inborn quality- 
he 
> > > has to *choose* to use it.
> >  
> > 
> > Alla:
> > 
> > Very interesting post. Even though I don't want Harry to become 
pre-
> > OOP Harry, I am with you here - I don't think we 'll see always 
> > angry Harry in HBP.
> > 
> > Yes, I think we'll see depressed and grieving Harry, but again  
> > this "he will have to master his emotions in order to be useful" 
> > quote 
> > makes me wonder how long this stage will last.
> > 
SNIP
> > > > Like maybe he will decide to give up one thing - Quidditch 
for 
> > example and then some kind of disaster strikes and Harry is back 
to 
> > the rescue.  Too bad though, I would love him to doubt his 
destiny.
> > 
SNIP
> > > > 
> > Yes, Harry has to choose his courage and I agree - to win over 
> > Voldemort Harry has to stop being afraid of death (maybe he WILL 
> > travel to underworld after all). I think not being afraid of 
death 
> > will help him survive at the end.
> > 
> > SNIP
> 
> imamommy:
> 
> I would expect the boy to display the classic five steps of 
grief:  
> shock, denial, anger/bargaining, depression, and acceptance.  
These 
> are the five steps people go through when something else traumatic 
> happens to them.  Each of these steps is essential to mental 
health 
> for the individual.  
> 
> So, at the end of OoP, we definitely see Harry in shock.  We will 
> probably see him either in the denial or anger/bargaining phase at 
> the beginning of HBP, and over the course of the sixth and seventh 
> book, see him progress throughdepression to eventual acceptance.
> 
>SNIP 
> 
> Often this kind of depression causes a falling out with old 
friends, 
> and hanging around new friends who tend to have a demoralizing 
effect 
> on the teenager.  I don't see Harry chumming up to Draco & Co., 
but 
> is there anyone else he could escape to as a departure from Ron 
and 
> Hermione?  Theodore Nott, perhaps?
> 
> I think he will withdraw from Hermione especially for a time.  She 
> tends to be his voice of reason and conscience, and I think he 
will 
> want to escape that voice for awhile.  
> 
> imamommy

Linda:
I really think that Harry accepted his Gryffindor self in SS. 
(courage and integrity) He had the option to go the self-absorbed, 
apathetic route then and shunned the thought of being with people 
who could potentially turn to the dark side. He turned his back on 
Draco before he even knew what the houses were and what they stood 
for. He chose his own path and he will continue to do so. 

I don't think that it is a stretch to say that he is going to refuse 
his "destiny" for a while, but he already hates Voldemort and not 
because he was told to. He hates him because he murdered his 
parents, he tortures and hurts people. He hates him for what he did 
to Neville's family. He hates him for killing Cedric. He hates him 
for breaking up his father's friendships from school. He hates him 
for Sirius being in Azkaban and forcing him to have to live with the 
Dursleys. All of which he knew before he ever found out about the 
prophesy. The prophesy just makes it more important to everyone else.

If Harry does decide to take a break from Ron and Hermione, he will 
turn to another Gryffindor... my money is on Neville. I think that 
Harry is going to have a new-found sympathy for Neville. Things 
always seem to go wrong for him too. He would be someone for Harry 
to commiserate with.

Linda - who hopes for a braver Harry, with a little room for him to 
sulk a while : )