Themes in OotP (was Re: Angry Harry in HBP?)
cubfanbudwoman
susiequsie23 at sbcglobal.net
Tue Dec 14 18:07:06 UTC 2004
No: HPFGUIDX 119882
SSSusan:
> It was WRONG to have behaved this way -- they could have at
> least TRIED spending time with him & talking, to see how it
> would go, but they didn't. Now, any adult who's been dreading a
> conversation with a child or a question from a child will probably
> identify with their feelings, but at least a couple of them should
> have risen above it and showed Harry some real support and
> willingness to talk about at least some of the difficult stuff. Or
> to be open about what couldn't be talked about.
>
> Sirius & Lupin did a measure of this at 12 GP, I would argue,
> but it wasn't enough, nor consistent throughout the year, and as
> you note, it wasn't there at ALL after the Mr. Weasley vision.
> There's no way a kid of 15, who thinks -- no, *knows* -- he just
> saved someone's life through his vision is going to just start
> working hard to stop having them without some kind of
> reasonable explanation from someone he trusts.
> <snip>
> Would *all* of the adults really have been *this* stupid for a
> whole year? Is that credible?
Pippin:
> You have to remember at least some of their efforts to offer
> support to Harry were thwarted. Harry declined to have tea with
> Mrs. Figg, who might have been able to answer some of his
> questions and let him know what was going on.
>
> Harry refused to use the mirror Sirius gave him.
>
> Neither Sirius nor McGonagall, nor DD seems comfortable
> offering emotional support if more is needed than their mere
> presence. Maybe it's the warrior culture thing. Spending time and
> talking -- does anybody except Hermione *ever* want to do that?
SSSusan:
But I'm not talking just about, or even primarily about, emotional
support. That, too, if it's in the giver's nature -- but also just
SOME vital information & answers and providing a *presence* in
Harry's life. Jen R. just said in the post prior to this one that
she believes McGonagall & Lupin are more *constant* for Harry than
Sirius was and how important that is. I know your take on Lupin,
Pippin, but as it doesn't match mine, I think Jen is right.
As for the mirror, it's true that Harry refused to use it at first,
but he also *forgot* about it. If he'd remembered it the night they
ended up traipsing off to the DoM, do you really think he'd not have
used it?
And Mrs. Figg? Did he know anything about her role at the time he
refused tea? [I don't recall the timing of the offer.] Again, I'm
not talking about *just* someone to have tea with. I'm talking about
someone HE really cares about, carving time out to listen to him and
tell him SOME key stuff, even if they couldn't tell him all, rather
than avoiding him or averting eyes and evading questions. Like what
Sirius & Lupin did at 12GP, only consistently throughout the year.
Perhaps even seeking *him* out on occasion. And especially after the
Arthur attack.
Siriusly Snapey Susan
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