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[pippin_999]

No: HPFGUIDX 120001


 
> Alla:
> 
>  Well, true, some formalities are not there and true again that it 
 could have been run better (Goes agains as to whether 
Dumbleore is a  good general or not question, IMO)
> 
> But, some of the things you are referring to, we simply do not 
 know , because Harry does not know it. Order may as well have 
chain  in command and someone could be possible 
susbstitution for  Dumbledore, the order may as well endure 
some extra magical  training, which Harry did not see.
> 
> As to different ideas, well, it looks to me that they all pretty 
 much complied with Dumbledore's ideas of how to accomplish 
certain  goal (for example not telling Harry about the prophecy) 
They did do  what their general told them, din't they?
> 

Pippin:

They did? You mean like Mundungus skipping guard duty at 
Privet Drive to deal in stolen cauldrons, or Sturgis Podmore not 
showing up for duty either  (*before* he was caught) , or Sirius 
contesting every order he ever got, or Molly hysterically deciding 
that Harry doesn't "need to know" anything? Was anybody 
disciplined for these things? If Dumbledore tried, would they 
accept his authority?

The  people who obey orders consistently are Arthur,  Bill, 
McGonagall, Shacklebolt and Tonks, who are all bureaucrats 
and/or Aurors and trained to take orders already. 

Snape obeys with ill grace, but we don't know whether that's his 
cover or his true nature.

In any case, The Order  is a band of irregulars, by definition not 
subject to military discipline, which exists to do things that the 
regular forces of the wizarding world, the Aurors and  the civilian 
bureaucracy ,can't or won't, such as teaching Harry occlumency 
on the sly. We don't know if any of the others have this skill at all 
(Lupin probably does, but he seems to be concealing it), and if 
they did, they wouldn't be sneaky enough to carry on teaching it 
under Umbridge's nose. 

I still say occlumency was a shot in the dark -- Snape said it 
himself, the usual rules did not seem to apply in this case. 
Voldemort was penetrating Harry's mind without eye contact and 
through the walls of Hogwarts, both of which were supposed to 
be impossible. If those things didn't stop Voldie, was there really 
much hope that occlumency would?

The other thing is that as far as everyone knew, Harry *was* 
motivated. He was obviously terrified by the snake incident, so 
much that  he wanted to bolt back to the Muggle world. What the 
adults didn't get is that while Harry was horrified at Voldemort 
being able to access his mind, he thought being able to access 
Voldie's mind was seriously cool. It didn't occur to him that he 
was being exposed to contamination either way -- while to the 
adults it was so obvious as not to need explaining. A grown-up's 
mistake.

Pippin