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Alla previously :

snip.

As to different ideas, well, it looks to me that they all pretty 
much complied with Dumbledore's ideas of how to accomplish 
certain  goal (for example not telling Harry about the prophecy) 
They did do  what their general told them, din't they?
 
 
> Pippin:
They did? You mean like Mundungus skipping guard duty at 
Privet Drive to deal in stolen cauldrons, or Sturgis Podmore not 
showing up for duty either  (*before* he was caught) , or Sirius 
contesting every order he ever got, or Molly hysterically deciding 
that Harry doesn't "need to know" anything? Was anybody 
disciplined for these things? If Dumbledore tried, would they 
accept his authority?


Alla:

Pippin, I had in mind specific example, which I quoted earlier - not 
telling Harry about prophecy and we KNOW  that nobody told Harry 
about it. Even though Sirius clearly wanted to and I wish he would 
disobey this particular order.

As to examples you quoted - I think they don't really count in the 
grand scheme of things.
True, most of those guys are not soldiers per se, but I'd say where 
it really counted they obeyed Dumbleodre.

Even Sirius obeyed the Orders pretty well, considering the 
fact just how much he hated Grimmauld place and still he stayed 
there, because that was Dumbledore told him to do ( another example 
of the general not knowing his soldiers basic needs, if you ask me).

True, Sirius disobeyed the order at the end, but I cannot blame him, 
when he learned that Harry's life is at stake. 

Pippin:
 
In any case, The Order  is a band of irregulars, by definition not 
subject to military discipline, which exists to do things that the 
regular forces of the wizarding world, the Aurors and  the civilian 
bureaucracy ,can't or won't, such as teaching Harry occlumency 
on the sly. We don't know if any of the others have this skill at 
all (Lupin probably does, but he seems to be concealing it), and if 
they did, they wouldn't be sneaky enough to carry on teaching it 
under Umbridge's nose. 

Alla:

I am not sure I agree about Order's being "band of irregulars".



Pippin:

The other thing is that as far as everyone knew, Harry *was* 
motivated. He was obviously terrified by the snake incident, so 
much that  he wanted to bolt back to the Muggle world. What the 
adults didn't get is that while Harry was horrified at Voldemort 
being able to access his mind, he thought being able to access 
Voldie's mind was seriously cool. It didn't occur to him that he 
was being exposed to contamination either way -- while to the 
adults it was so obvious as not to need explaining. A grown-up's 
mistake.


Alla:

Well, yes, Harry's being able to see Arthur's being attacked did 
save Arthur'a life didn't it? So, Harry's reasoning seems quite 
understandable to me. And here would be the ideal moment to explain 
to Harry that even though this vision was real, some of them ... may 
not be, so Harry should be on his guard.
I am not quite sure why it was so obvious to adults of the Order 
that Harry will figure it out on his own.