Who knew what ? (long)

[a_b_desert_king]

No: HPFGUIDX 120077


--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "fkilc" <fkilc at y...> wrote:
> 
> Del:
> <snip>
> 
> > 2. Who in the Order knows about Harry's dreams of the corridor? 
They all know about his Snake dream, but do we know that *anyone* 
knows about his recurrent corridor dream?
> > 
> 
> Francois said
> 
> Well, Snape most likely did, since he became quite furious at Harry
> for "dreaming" that he was running down the corridor (remember that
> Harry was quite surprised at Snape's anger because he seemed more
> angry than when Harry was able to protect himself and get flashes 
of Snape's memory).
> 
> snip

Heather here:

I'm going to throw this one into the fray.  I personally always 
thought that this situation was *not* a case when Snape broke into 
Harry's thoughts.  I think that LV hit Harry with a 'dream' right at 
the moment when Snape was about to Legilimens him... there are 
several reasons for this feeling:

1) Snape only counts to two before he is interrupted: (all quotes 
from OotP Am hardcover version pg 522-523)
"'On the count of three, then,' said Snape, raising his wand once 
more. 'One - two-'
Harry did not have time to gather himself together and attempt to 
clear his mind before Snape cried, 'Legilimens!'" 

Interruptions are key in this series, and we never actually hear 
Snape yell Legilimens (from Harry's pov)- we only assume that he did.

2) Harry *finally* gets through the door - he has never accomplished 
this up to now.
"The door had flown open! He was through it *at last*, (emphasis 
mine) inside a black-walled, black-floored circular room lit with 
blue-flamed candles, and there were more doors all around him -...." 

To me this indicates that he is having another 'dream' which takes 
him farther than ever before.  How can this be a memory Snape is 
intruding upon if he has never made it this far before now?  He 
cannot have a memory of a place he's never even seen in his dreams!

3)Snape seems confused/angry at Harry falling to the floor:
"Harry opened his eyes. He was flat on his back again with no memory 
of having got there;....
'Explain yourself!' said Snape, who was standing over him, looking 
furious." 

Snape doesn't ask Harry specific questions as he has in the past, 
just 'Explain yourself'.  Seems like maybe he didn't actually see 
Harry's thoughts that time; maybe he's only asking why Harry fell to 
the floor (perhaps he thought it was Harry's way of avoiding further 
mind searching)

4)Harry doesn't know what happened - usually he's at least somewhat 
aware of what is going on albeit not really in control of what he is 
thinking or doing.  This time he's truly out of sorts - similar to 
the way he feels when he wakes from his 'dreams' at night.
"'I... dunno what happened,' said Harry truthfully, standing up."

It's at this point that Snape changes the subject by hurling insults 
at HP (I mean - what else can he do?  He doesn't know what just 
happened and feels out of control of the situation - what better way 
to assert your superiority than to put down your inferiors...) and 
then suddenly they are interrupted (interruptions again) by 
Umbridge's attempt to remove Trelawney from the building.

I think that the reason why Snape was so angry and upset about this 
particular session was not only that he discovered HP was having 
dreams about 'the Dark Lord' but that he was witness to one of these 
dreams - and what more dangerous situation for a double agent to be 
in than one where he might get found out by the more dangerous 
leader?  

Perhaps he was also upset because he realizes why DD wants him to 
teach Harry rather than doing it himself.  The dream he intruded on 
before this was of LV talking with Rookwood in the dark room - and 
Snape knows HP could *never* have met Rookwood before this since 
Rookwood has been in Azkaban since HP was about 1 yr old.  I know 
that some time ago some people theorized that perhaps Snape had been 
present in that room and was worried that HP might see him in one of 
his dreams.  This might also be a reason for Snape to be furious at 
learning of the dreams.

Anyway, it's just my thoughts on this particular session, for 
whatever they are worth  :)

Heather