You're in the Army, now. wasFalse Alarm? Was:Re: Adults "failing" Harry (in tP)

[delwynmarch]

No: HPFGUIDX 120110


Neri wrote :
" How did Sirius know that he must save not merely Harry but also the
"proph – "? The logical explanation is that he had known for some time
that Voldy was after a prophecy."

Del replies :
A very interesting and enlightening post, thanks Neri!

About that question above : it does seem clear after reading your post
that Sirius knew about the Prophecy by the time of the DoM battle.
However :

1. He could have been told about it very recently. Maybe someone else
in the Order knew about it, and when the Order was contacted and told
about Harry being gone and missing, maybe that someone explained what
was in the DoM.

2. Sirius might have known for a very long time. If the Potters knew,
then James might have told his very best friend. But DD might have
asked him not to tell anyone else.

Neri wrote :
" Did the Order members also knew what the prophecy says? I couldn't
find any certain canon for that, but my guess is that DD told them the
first half of the prophecy. There was no reason to keep it a secret
from them since Voldemort already knew it. OTOH there was a very good
reason to tell them, since they may guard Harry better if they know
the whole WW depends on keeping him alive."

Del replies :
That makes a lot of sense. But unfortunately that's not certain. DD
might still have decided to keep the whole thing secret for whatever
twisted reason.

I just wish we knew *for sure*! If I've learned one thing about the HP
books, it's not to assume what is not clearly written, so I'm feeling
a bit uncomfortable assuming that all the Order members knew about the
Prophecy and yet none of them told Harry anything about it.

Neri wrote:
"Also, when Harry tells Sirius and Lupin that Snape had stopped the
Occlumency lessons they are horrified, and Lupin says sternly "Harry,
there is nothing so important as you learning Occlumency! Do you
understand me? Nothing!" For Harry, Lupin comes across here as the
typical overprotective, slightly hysterical grownup. But knowing Lupin
as the master of understatement, for him to say anything so forcefully
he must mean it quite literally: "the most important thing for the war
and the future of the whole WW is for Harry to learn Occlumency". At
least to me this sounds as more than just worrying about Harry's
personal safety."

Del replies :
Once again, this makes a lot of sense. But the problem is : we haven't
been told what reason DD gave to the Order for implementing the
Occlumency lessons. It might have been a very compelling reason that
had nothing to do with the Prophecy, like presenting the dangers a
possessed!Harry could represent for the Order as a whole, or even
simply the fix the Order could be in if LV accessed Harry's memories
of 12GP and the Order.

Del