Does the Order know about the prophecy?

[madlysarcastic]

No: HPFGUIDX 120196


Juli wrote:

> I think most of the Order members knew about the
> prophecy, including Snape, Arthur and Molly, Sirius
> and Lupin, otherwise they couldn't tell Harry
> seriously that he had to learn occlumency. After
> Christmas at 12GP and the snake vision, Dumbledore
> realized the connection worked both ways, and he asked
> Snape to teach him occlumency, Sirius must have known
> because he had a letter from DD and he wouldn't allow
> Harry to spend all this time with Snape if there
> wasn't a good reason.

Maddy:

I disagree. I don't think most of the Order members knew about the
Prophecy. I think it *likely* that Dumbledore told Sirius, and that
Sirius told Lupin. I think it's also possible that Molly knew. The
three of them seem to be the most anxious about Harry's safety
throughout OotP, and I think it's because A) They all care about Harry
strongly, and B) The knowledge of the Prophecy was new to them.
Dumbledore is obviously concerned about Harry regarding the Prophecy,
but he's had this knowledge for some time.

But the main reason why I don't think the Order knows is that DD
*must* have learned his lesson from the last Voldy war. Possibly
everything DD told the Order back then, was passed on by Wormtail to
LV. Now, I'm not suggesting that DD suspects there's a spy amoungst
the current Order (although, that would be an interesting bit of a
drama), but I think DD would be *very* cafeful with this type of
information.

I think DD must have only told James and Lily about it, as well as
Frank and Alice Longbottom. It is possible that the Potters told
Sirius about it since he became Harry's Godfather, but they didn't
have to have. Given what we know about Sirius's loyalty, I would think
it quite possible that all they had to do was say that they and/or
Harry was in grave danger and he'd leap at the chance to help in any
way he could.

I think that given the kind of misinformation some of the Order
members have displayed with regard to Harry's dreams, I don't think DD
has told them a great deal about it. For instance, in St. Mungo's,
Moody says something about Voldemort "possessing" Harry, which
Dumbledore knows is not the case. Also, at one point Tonks ponders
about whether or not Harry's dreams can be considered Seeing (as in a
"Seer"). I don't think DD has told them a great deal about the
interconnections between Harry and Voldemort, and I doubt he's told
them all about the Prophecy. I think that he may have just told the
Order that since Harry was the V-man's downfall before, LV is hell
bent on killing Harry now, so they have to protect him.

With Snape, however, Dumbledore must have told him in a little more
detail about Harry's dreams, but again, it's pretty much on a
need-to-know basis.


> Del:
> > 2. I think DD acts with his subordinates in the very
> > same way he acts with Harry : on a need-to-know basis. 
> > Strictly speaking, the Order members don't need to know 
> > about the Prophecy, so DD might not have told them.
> 
> Juli: I agree but not all the way, the Order MUST know
> a lot more than Harry, would any of them be willing to
> risk their life without knowing anything a lot?

Maddy:

I think the Order knows more about the details of Voldemort's and
Death Eater whereabouts and their activities, but as I said above, I
don't think they know about the Prophecy. At most, I think they might
know that there *is* a Prophecy about Harry and Voldy, and that they
had to guard it, etc. But I really don't think they know what the
Prophecy *said*. Think about it, it's what Voldy has been after since
the end of GoF, if every one in the Order knew what it said, they
would all be in a lot greater danger, and one of them could easily
spill the beans (on purpose or not). I think that the less people know
the contents of the Prophecy, the better, and Dumbledore wants to keep
it that way.

Why would they be willing to risk their lives without a lot of reason
to back it up? I think that's part of the job description of the
Order, unfortunately. I think, similarly to joining the Death Eaters
and the DA, joining the Order must mean that you are very much against
Voldemort and want to help stop him, and highly loyal the leader and
trust him. It doesn't quite sit right to think of someone blindly
risking their life, but I think they're probably given a vague reason
such as "Harry's in danger", or "If Voldemort gets that Prophecy he'll
have a big advantage", then that's good enough for an Order member.



=)
Maddy