Marietta and Hermione (was JKR's Messages ) (was Re: Hermione In Trouble?)

[delwynmarch]

No: HPFGUIDX 120815


Alla wrote:
"I believe that war was already there in OOP, even though it was not 
official yet."

Del replies:
Where was the declaration of war?
Where was the self-identified enemy?
Where were the casualties of war?
Where were the war leaders?

Harry had nice answers to all those questions, but that didn't
automatically make his explanations the truth. There are people out
there with very neat theories about how the little grey men control
our governments, for example. But I take their theories for
*conspiracy* theories, not for the truth. And I think Harry's stories
were just as realistic and plausible as those theories, for many many
people in the WW.

If Marrietta was supposed to believe in Harry just because other
people believed in him, does that mean that Hermione should believe in
Heliopaths just because many people, including Luna, believe they
exist? No, she doesn't. And nobody had to believe Harry either. And
apart from Harry's conspiracy theory, there was no reason to believe
there was any kind of war going on.

Alla wrote:
"Personally, I believe that Marietta had NO business coming to DA int
 he first place, period. You were talking about Cho being persuasive 
and I frankly don't remember Cho forcing Marietta to do anything.

I mean I remember Marietta not looking very sure in herself, when she
came, but besides I think I am turning blank.

Could you give me the quote, which supports Cho forcing anything on 
Marietta, please?
If I were to speculate, who knows, maybe Marietta's mother told her to
come and spy on DA?"

Del replies:

At the first meeting, in the Hog's Head:

*at the beginning of the meeting:
"Cho had just smiled at him and sat down on Ron's right. Her friend,
who had curly reddish-blonde hair, did not smile, but gave Harry a
thoroughly mistrustful look which plainly told him that, given her
way, she would not be here at all".

*at the signing of the parchment:
"Harry saw Cho's friend give her a rather reproachful look before
adding her own name"

*at the end of the meeting:
"Cho made rather a business of fastening the catch on her bag before
leaving, her long dark curtain of hair swinging forward to hide her
face, but her friend stood beside her, arms folded, clicking her
tongue, so that Cho had little choice but to leave with her. As her
friend ushered her through the door, Cho looked back and waved at Harry."

In that scene, we can see that:
1. Marrietta didn't want to come.
2. She didn't want to sign the parchment and clearly did it only for
Cho's sake.
3. She was very impatient to leave.

And we also have to keep in mind that Marrietta didn't even suspect
the true nature of the group that was to get formed at this first
meeting. It was supposed to be a group to practice DADA, not to fight
against Umbridge and the Ministry. Had she known the Trio's real
intentions, Marrietta might have refused to come, no matter how much
Cho tried to coax her into it.

But the worst is during the first DA lesson:

"She laughed. Her friend Marrietta looked at them rather sourly and
turned away.
'Don't mind her,' Cho muttered. 'She doesn't really want to be here
but I made her come with me. Her parents have forbidden her to do
anything that might upset Umbridge. You see - her mum works for the
Ministry.'"

It seems pretty obvious to me that Marrietta would never have come to
any further DA meeting if Cho hadn't made her come.

I think Marrietta would agree with you : she had NO business coming to
the DA meetings in the first place. She sure didn't want to.

Alla wrote:
"I just.... don't like traytors, even if they are fifteen years old."

Del replies:
Agreed. But the question is : who was the traitor in Marrietta's eyes?
If she didn't believe Harry's conspiracy theories about LV being back,
wouldn't she also believe that Harry was the traitor to the
government, to his country and people?

Del