Marietta and Hermione (was JKR's Messages ) (was Re: Hermione In Trouble?)

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> Del replies:

If Marrietta was supposed to believe in Harry just because other
people believed in him, does that mean that Hermione should believe 
in Heliopaths just because many people, including Luna, believe they
exist? No, she doesn't. And nobody had to believe Harry either. And
apart from Harry's conspiracy theory, there was no reason to believe
there was any kind of war going on.

Alla:

Here is what I believe. Harry is NOT just anybody for WW. He is 
someone because of whom Voldemort was gone for fourteen years.

I believe that WW owed Harry to hear him out first, NOT to paint him 
as crazy maniac, because people were too scared to look truth in the 
eyes.

And there WAS a solid reason to believe that something goes on - 
Cedric dead at the end of GoF.



 Del replies:
 
> At the first meeting, in the Hog's Head:
 
*at the beginning of the meeting:
"Cho had just smiled at him and sat down on Ron's right. Her friend,
who had curly reddish-blonde hair, did not smile, but gave Harry a
thoroughly mistrustful look which plainly told him that, given her
way, she would not be here at all".
 
*at the signing of the parchment:
"Harry saw Cho's friend give her a rather reproachful look before
>adding her own name"
 
 *at the end of the meeting:
"Cho made rather a business of fastening the catch on her bag before
leaving, her long dark curtain of hair swinging forward to hide her
> face, but her friend stood beside her, arms folded, clicking her
tongue, so that Cho had little choice but to leave with her. As her
friend ushered her through the door, Cho looked back and waved at 
Harry."

In that scene, we can see that:
1. Marrietta didn't want to come.
2. She didn't want to sign the parchment and clearly did it only for
Cho's sake.
3. She was very impatient to leave.


Alla:

Thank you - those are excellent quotes and yes, Cho appears to be 
persuasive, BUT I am still not convinced that Marietta cannot resist 
Cho at all.

Look at your last quote - "but her friend stood beside her, arms 
folded, clicking her
tongue, so that Cho had little choice but to leave with her."

Marietta forces Cho to leave, not vice versa. Something tells me 
that if marietta REALLY did not want to come. nothing of what Cho 
said  would have made her.

 
Del:

But the worst is during the first DA lesson:
 
"She laughed. Her friend Marrietta looked at them rather sourly and
turned away.'Don't mind her,' Cho muttered. 'She doesn't really want 
to be here but I made her come with me. Her parents have forbidden 
her to do anything that might upset Umbridge. You see - her mum 
works for the Ministry.'"
 
It seems pretty obvious to me that Marrietta would never have come to
any further DA meeting if Cho hadn't made her come.


Alla:

Yes, this quote is bad, all right, but again I am not convinced that 
Cho's powers of persuasion are THAT great as she would like to think.

She does not appear to be able to persuade Harry in anything does 
not she?

Who knows, maybe Marietta subtly worked on her to make her think 
that way.

You know, I begin to think that Pettigrew worked this way too ( 
just  wild speculation, of course) - making people to think what HE 
wanted them to think ( like making remus and Sirius to suspect each 
other, etc.)
 

Del replies:
Agreed. But the question is : who was the traitor in Marrietta's 
eyes? If she didn't believe Harry's conspiracy theories about LV 
being back,wouldn't she also believe that Harry was the traitor to 
the government, to his country and people?


Alla:

Then my only advise to her will be to open her eyes and grow up. 
Sorry for such categorical statement.

Just my opinion, of course


Alla