Marietta and Hermione (was JKR's Messages ) (was Re: Hermione In Trouble?)

[delwynmarch]

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Alla wrote:
"Here is what I believe. Harry is NOT just anybody for WW. He is 
someone because of whom Voldemort was gone for fourteen years.

I believe that WW owed Harry to hear him out first, NOT to paint him 
as crazy maniac, because people were too scared to look truth in the 
eyes."

Del replies:
I disagree. The WW owed Harry gratitude for somehow ridding them of LV
14 years ago. But Harry didn't do it *on purpose*, he didn't make any
choice, he didn't take any decision. He just *happened* to vanquish
LV. So I really don't see why anyone should give any ear to whatever
he says more than a decade later : he doesn't know how he did what he
did, so why should he know any better now?

I also disagree that all those who refused to listen to Harry were
just too scared of the truth. I refuse to agree with the alien
conspiracy theorists, but it's not because I'm afraid of what it would
imply : it's just because I don't think they are right.

Alla wrote: 
"And there WAS a solid reason to believe that something goes on - 
Cedric dead at the end of GoF."

Del replies:
And as I said Harry had a nice conspiracy theory to explain that. But
the simplest explanation was that Harry killed Cedric somehow and DD
was covering up for him (I was watching "criminal detectives" on
Discovery Channel yesterday : when a 13-year-old boy disappeared after
going to his best friend's home, and it was known that the two boys
were rivals over a girl, the police examined the simple possibility
that the friend killed the boy out of jealousy, which happened to be
the right explanation). So yes people had reasons to believe that
something was going on, but not that LV was back.

Consider this :
1. Nobody knows how Harry got rid of LV
2. Harry is the only one who claims to have seen LV reborn
3. Harry is a known Parselmouth
Just those 3 are enough to raise suspicions about *Harry*.

Alla wrote:
"Marietta forces Cho to leave, not vice versa. Something tells me that
if marietta REALLY did not want to come. nothing of what Cho said 
would have made her."

Del replies:
Let me re-quote the first episode, at the beginning of the meeting:
"Cho had just smiled at him and sat down on Ron's right. Her friend,
who had curly reddish-blonde hair, did not smile, but gave Harry a
thoroughly mistrustful look which plainly told him that, given her
way, she would not be here at all".

Notice the "given her way". Marrietta would not have been here if Cho
hadn't insisted, even Harry realises that. Moreover, as I already
said, when she accepted to come, Marrietta didn't know what the DA
would *really* be about. She might not have been enthusiastic about a
not-forbidden DADA practice group, but an illegal anti-Umbridge group
was another matter entirely!

Alla wrote:
"I am not convinced that Cho's powers of persuasion are THAT great as
she would like to think.

She does not appear to be able to persuade Harry in anything does not
she?"

Del replies:
As I already said, Cho's tears didn't have any effect on Harry, but
it's highly likely that they had some effects on Marrietta, for
several reasons:

1. Harry didn't care about Cho anywhere as much as Marrietta did.
Harry could watch Cho cry without feeling moved, but as her friend I
doubt Marrietta could do the same.

2. Even Harry sometimes gives into Hermione's harrassment tactics just
to stop her harrassing him. He paid the fee for SPEW and took the
badge, for example. He also agreed to check on Sirius at 12GP even
though he was sure it would be useless and he was convinced Sirius was
being tortured all the time. Marrietta could have agreed to go to the
DA lessons just to stop Cho harrassing her about them all the time. 

Alla wrote:
"Who knows, maybe Marietta subtly worked on her to make her think that
way.

You know, I begin to think that Pettigrew worked this way too (just 
wild speculation, of course) - making people to think what HE wanted
them to think ( like making remus and Sirius to suspect each other, etc.)"

Del replies:
That's another conspiracy theory to explain in a complicated way
something that has a very simple explanation : Marrietta never wanted
to belong to the DA, but she followed Cho because she is her friend.
Just like Ron and Hermione follow Harry sometimes even when they
really don't want to.

Alla wrote:
"Then my only advise to her will be to open her eyes and grow up."

Del replies:
Open her eyes to what? Something that only Harry saw?
Grow up? Isn't that *exactly* what she did, by not going with the
group, and doing what she thought was right?

Del