Umbridge and Hermione was Marrieta and ...

[hickengruendler]

No: HPFGUIDX 120853


--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "pippin_999" <foxmoth at q...> 
wrote:
 
> 
> Pippin:
 
> 
> She [Hermione] had a good half an hour, walking into the forest, to 
come up 
> with a better plan, and I could come up with half a dozen better 
> plans in that time...trip over a root and pretend to break my 
ankle, 
> say that the weapon must have been moved to London and flee 
> up the steps of Grimmauld Place when Umbridge took them 
> there, Grawp, the merpeople, asking Harry to call Fawkes, Dobby 
> (that one deserves all caps), -- there are a lot of creatures who 
> would have helped Harry out of kindness or loyalty to 
> Dumbledore. 
> 

Hickengruendler:

Well, I still think Grawp was not really a possibility. He could have 
smashed everybody. From what Hermione has seen of them, Grawp was 
much more dangerous, than the centaurs. And I'm also not sure, how 
the merpeople could have helped. You have some point with the other 
possibilities, especially Dobby, however, the whole situation was 
still a race against time. Hermione thought Sirius to be in danger, 
there was no time to change the plan several times. I think it is 
just fair to give Hermione some credit for trying to safe Harry and 
Sirius in this scene, after all, the others didn't seem to think 
about any way out of this situation at all. 

Pippin:
>  What Hermione did, IMO, was the equivalent of trying to get the 
> KKK to help her deal with a corrupt, evil, black person. 

Hickengruendler:

Really? Could Hermione really have known that the centaurs are that 
dangerous? Of course, they didn't seem to be exactly the friends of 
the wizards, and they threatened Hagrid, but it's not that they came 
galopping out of the forest to attack some prejudiced wizards or 
Ministry of Magic employées on a regular basis. And Hermione tried to 
warn Umbridge not to insult the centaurs. I don't know if she really 
meant it or if she really cared (probably not), but she warned her. 
But in the end Umbridge was not only attacked because she was simply 
there, but also because she insulted the centaurs and because she was 
the first to attack. It was only after she hexed Magorian, that the 
centaurs stroke back. Neither of this is Hermione's fault.

> It'd serve 
> her right if they tried to lynch her too, and isn't that what 
> happened? Don't worry about Hermione's comeuppance -- she 
> got it already.
> 
> Pippin

Hickengruendler:

That's another point, and thank you for mentioning it. Hermione got 
some negative results of her actions. She misjudged the centaurs and 
she realized it. It's completely unimportant if Grawp saved them (the 
whole Grawp character is so far nothing but a plot device anyway), 
Hermione's misjudgement brought her into a danger. I think that and 
Luna proving to be a good friend and valuable help will open 
Hermione's eyes a bit and make her realize, that her point of view is 
not the only correct one.

Hickengruendler, who still hopes that SPEW will have some success, 
though.