Were Dumbledore & Snape involved in James & Lilly's death+ LV downfall?

[Fred Waldrop]

No: HPFGUIDX 90171

"Fred Waldrop" wrote 
I have been thinking about the prophecy a lot for a while now.
(page 741 UK & 841 US OotP)
"THE ONE WITH THE POWER TO VANQUISH THE DARK LORD APPROCHES....BORN 
TO THOSE WHO HAVE THRICE DEFIED HIM, BORN AS THE SEVENTH MONTH 
DIES... AND THE DARK LORD WILL MARK HIM AS HIS EQUAL, BUT HE WILL 
HAVE POWERS THE DARK LORD WILL KNOW NOT... AND EITHER MUST DIE AT 
THE HANDS OF THE OTHER FOR NEITHER CAN LIVE WHILE THE OTHER 
SURVIVES... THE ONE WITH POWER TO VANQUISH THE DARK LORD WILL BE 
BORN AS THE SEVENTH MONTH DIES..."

Now I know it is only my opinion, but the two parts that jump out at 
me are "THE ONE WITH THE POWER TO VANQUISH THE DARK LORD APPROCHES" 
and "AND EITHER MUST DIE AT THE HANDS OF THE OTHER".
Now my point is this, LV COULD NOT kill Harry, because at THAT TIME, 
Harry was not able(old enough, powerful enough?) to kill LV.
And until Harry DOES have the power/will/ability to kill LV, LV will 
not be able to kill Harry.
Because in the prophecy,  "THE ONE WITH THE POWER TO VANQUISH THE 
DARK LORD" has to be able to kill LV, because the prophcey says  
"EITHER MUST DIE AT THE HANDS OF THE OTHER". It give BOTH Harry AND 
LV a chance, not just one or the other. 
 

Naama wrote
I'd like to point out that "the one with the power to.." doesn't 
necessarily mean "the one who can...". It depends on how you 
interpret 'power.' It can be viewed as a potentiality, rather than 
as an active force. E.g., Harry had always had the power to produce 
a Patronus, but was not always able to do so (because he lacked the 
knowledge, he lacked the self confidence, etc.). In that case, baby 
Harry was vulnerable, since of course he couldn't have vanquished 
Voldemort then. That, of course, was what Voldemort was hoping for - 
to eliminate his mortal enemy before he posed a real threat to him. 
The fact that it didn't work out, doesn't mean that it categorically 
*couldn't* have worked out. 

Fred again
Naama,if you would have read all of what I said, you would have 
seen "And until Harry DOES have the *power/will/ability* to kill LV, 
LV will not be able to kill Harry." I understand that Harry alway 
had the "power", but he did not have the ability to use it as a baby.
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Fred wrote
Also, I think the reason in GoF, chap. 36, "The Parting of the 
Ways", Harry says, "For a fleeting instant, Harry thought he saw a 
gleam of something like triumph in Dumbledore's eyes."
I think that Dumbledore knows that it is not really Lily's sacrafice 
that saved Harry (I think it could have made it a lot eaiser for 
Harry, IE he just gets a scar instead of something worse. Without 
Lily's sacrafice, Harry could have been hurt much worse but still 
have lived.) 
 

Naama wrote
On what do you base the assertion that it wasn't Lily's sacrifice 
that saved Harry? 
 

Fred again
Just like so many more in here, no one REALLY knows what kept Harry 
from dying, we all just have out theories about what helped save him.
Whith my theory, I AM still including Lily's scrafice, possibly a 
charm protection and giving a reason for Dumbledore's "gleam" in GoF.
And I think, of course, it is only my opion, that my theory is as 
sound as any other one that has been brought up to date.

Fred