[HPforGrownups] Re: Harry's revenge on Snape?

[Silverthorne Dragon]

No: HPFGUIDX 90488

{Alla}

Of course, Harry's being manipulated again is as valid theory as any.
I personally believe that it will not happen simply because it will
be anti-climatic. It already happened as a major plot point and I
don't believe that JKR will repeat herself. When she introduces
something for the second time, usually at first it played a minor
role in the plot development, not as  significant as in the OoP

{Anne}

Fair enough...but then she needs to find a way to get Harry's mind from
Voldy soon then--right now, there is no resolution to keeping Harry from
being manipulated again, other then 'It's been done already'. When that's
pointed out in the Werewolf Lupin/Vampire Snape posts, it's never enough for
people insisting on Vampire!Snape. When she resolves it conclusively, then,
to me, the possibility is gone. Until then, it's possible.

{Alla}
I also believe that JKR does not lie int he interviews, she usually
avoids the questions she does not want to answer and I believe that
she said that harry will not be tempted by darkness (I probably
mentioned it in the past, but I may be wrong and I don't have a link)

{Anne}

Being 'tempted' by the Darkness is not the same as being manipulated by it.
Harry already thinks its all right to hate Snape and blame him for Sirius's
death. Although that in and of itself is not 'bad'...it does lead the way to
more extreme opinions, such as who deserves to 'suffer' for thier mistakes,
be removed, etc. It's an easy trap to fall into, even for "Lightsiders",
especially when they've been hurt by the person, situation, moral dilemma
themselves (Crusades, Vietnam, WW2 and the Japanese)...and that erroneous
assumption easily leads people to do bad things...whether or not they
themselves are inherently evil...its a fundamental human flaw.


{Alla}

I also already wrote a post that I have faith in Harry's moral code,
so I won't repeat myself.

{Anne}

I do to a point--he is still young, and can still make a lot of serious
mistakes, all under the self-righteous belief that what he is doing is
indeed right...the true morality will come when he realizes that sometimes
he has to divorce himself from the situation to see it clearly, and thus
make the correct choice (and that may not necassarily be the one his
emotions are wanting him to make). And that is what I have faith in as
'Harry as the Hero'--that he'll be able to see past his own hurtful
experiences to a more stable, balanced view of what's going on around him.
He hasn't gotten there just yet, though...in fact, his own hurt and pain is
making it hard indeed...

{Alla}

I think that Harry will learn Occlumency in book 6 (unless Severus will be
his teacher again, of course :o)).

{Anne}

He may...and hopefully he will...I doubt Dumbledore will ask Snape to be the
teacher agian though...Harry is far too emotionally pissed at Snape for that
to happen, and Dumbly is aware of that fact.

{Alla}

This is very strange indeed. Usually in the heroic quest I LOVE the
hero to fight off the possession of the dark forces, but I have NO
DESIRE whatsoever to see Harry doing that. I think Rowling can put a
moral dilemma for him without Voldie being in his mind again. At
least I would hope so.

{Anne}

And usually I would say the same about a Vampiric former bad guy trying to
do good (Snape as a Vampire), but not here. Snape is already messed up
enough. Adding that inhuminty factor will only excuse his behiavior, not
explain it--a cop out to say the least in regards to a very complicated,
messed up man. But again, we won't know what Rowling will do...just that it
will be intersting...


{Alla}

Oh, I sincerely hope that he will get some sort of revenge on Snape
without breaking his moral code. (Like I don't know, saving his life
at the end and making Snape to be int he Potter's debt all over
again ;o))


{Anne}

Personally, I would love to see some sort of understanding come between the
two...not just a 'getting Snape in Harry's debt again' scenario (that falls
under 'uneven' and 'self-righteous' revenge to me). But again, Harry will
have to come to a much higher understanding of the human condition in all
its forms for that to happen, because unless Snape really does a 180, it's
not gonna happen. Unlike Snape, Harry is not set in his ways...yet.