Harry's revenge on Snape?

[dumbledore11214]

No: HPFGUIDX 90490

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "Silverthorne Dragon" 
<silverthorne.dragon at v...> wrote:
> Fair enough...but then she needs to find a way to get Harry's mind 
from
> Voldy soon then--right now, there is no resolution to keeping Harry 
from
> being manipulated again, other then 'It's been done already'. When 
that's
> pointed out in the Werewolf Lupin/Vampire Snape posts, it's never 
enough for
> people insisting on Vampire!Snape. When she resolves it 
conclusively, then,
> to me, the possibility is gone. Until then, it's possible.
>

Yes, of course. Harry should learn to defend his mind against Voldy 
thing.

> {Anne}
> 
> Being 'tempted' by the Darkness is not the same as being 
manipulated by it.
> Harry already thinks its all right to hate Snape and blame him for 
Sirius's
> death. Although that in and of itself is not 'bad'...it does lead 
the way to
> more extreme opinions, such as who deserves to 'suffer' for thier 
mistakes,
> be removed, etc. It's an easy trap to fall into, even 
for "Lightsiders",
> especially when they've been hurt by the person, situation, moral 
dilemma
> themselves (Crusades, Vietnam, WW2 and the Japanese)...and that 
erroneous
> assumption easily leads people to do bad things...whether or not 
they
> themselves are inherently evil...its a fundamental human flaw.
> 

Well, I agree with you, it is a human flaw, but where we disagree is 
that I don't believe that desire to hurt Snape will lead Harry on a 
apth of being manipulated by Darkness.

> {Anne}
> 
> I do to a point--he is still young, and can still make a lot of 
serious
> mistakes, all under the self-righteous belief that what he is doing 
is
> indeed right...the true morality will come when he realizes that 
sometimes
> he has to divorce himself from the situation to see it clearly, and 
thus
> make the correct choice (and that may not necassarily be the one his
> emotions are wanting him to make). And that is what I have faith in 
as
> 'Harry as the Hero'--that he'll be able to see past his own hurtful
> experiences to a more stable, balanced view of what's going on 
around him.
> He hasn't gotten there just yet, though...in fact, his own hurt and 
pain is
> making it hard indeed...
>

Well, we differ again. :o) As I said I don't believe that switching 
the positions with Snape ( Harry having the upper hand, for once) 
will stop Harry from maturing. On the contrary, I believe that it 
will do both of them a lots of good.

> {Anne}
> 
>  But again, we won't know what Rowling will do...just that it
> will be intersting...
> 
Of course. :)
 
> {Alla}
> 
> Oh, I sincerely hope that he will get some sort of revenge on Snape
> without breaking his moral code. (Like I don't know, saving his life
> at the end and making Snape to be int he Potter's debt all over
> again ;o))
> 
> 
> {Anne}
> 
> Personally, I would love to see some sort of understanding come 
between the
> two...not just a 'getting Snape in Harry's debt again' scenario 
(that falls
> under 'uneven' and 'self-righteous' revenge to me). But again, 
Harry will
> have to come to a much higher understanding of the human condition 
in all
> its forms for that to happen, because unless Snape really does a 
180, it's
> not gonna happen. Unlike Snape, Harry is not set in his ways...yet.


Of course, I disagree. That would be a very nice type of revenge in 
my book. So far, "Uneven and self-righteous" are the words I would 
describe Snape's behaviour towards Harry and I don't see why child 
should change his ways before the adult does. Simply ebcause child is 
the main character of the book?

If it wil turn out that Snape is unable to change his ways a little 
bit at least the end  (No, I don't want him to become nice suddenly, 
I just want him to stop his petty revenge against the child of his 
chidhood enemy), I think that he has to die saving Harry, that would 
be the only way he can redeem himself in my book.


Alla