Harry's revenge on Snape?

[dumbledore11214]

No: HPFGUIDX 90498

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "Silverthorne Dragon" 
<silverthorne.dragon at v...> wrote:
> 
> {Anne}
> 
> Oh No? It will lower him to Snape's level...and Voldemort's. It is, 
after
> all, the same thought process that leads the Death Eaters to kill, 
maim,
> torture Muggles and half-wizards...."This person is a horrid 
example of
> humanity/wizardness--therefore they deserve to suffer, deserve 
whatever
> horrid thing that comes their way...." Sound familiar? It should--
it's the
> thought process that starts the Holocosts and genocidal wars of 
this world
> (and any other). Once you start down that path, then it becomes 
easier and
> easier each time to excuse the 'removal' of a certain type of 
person, simply
> because they do not follow the same social and moral rules that you
> do...Snape, horrid or not, is STILL a human being, and is still a 
living
> creature. Harry is still responsible for what he does to this human
> being....and a true hero does NOT repeat the mistakes of his 
enemies and
> oppressors...or he becomes them. Tom Riddle's story is already 
proof of that
> in the books....and Harry is Tom's flip side...."Those that hunt
> monsters...."
> 

You misunderstood me. I believe that Harry's desire to hurt Snape 
will not transform into any evil action against him, that is why it 
will not lead the boy to Darkness.

If Harry will somehow hurt Snape's pride by his positive action 
(saving his life, for example) - yes, I strongly believe that he is 
entitled to it.


> I don't think it will. What I think it will do is give 
him 'permission' to
> act as judge, jury, and executioner if he is allowed to continue 
feeding on
> his own hurt, hate, pride and self-riteousness. It won't teach 
Snape a
> damned thing to have the tables turned on him--James and company 
already did
> that to him throughout his teen years, and all it did was feed 
Snape's
> hatred. Harry continuing that will only feed Snape's (assumed by 
us) opinion
> that Harry is truly his father's son in this. And all it will do 
for Harry
> is teach him to be a bully like his father was....it certainly 
won't teach
> him that most 'lightside' quality of all--the ability to forgive, 
even if
> the person you're forgiving isn't 'worthy'. 


To be a bully like his father was? Well, to be called a "bully" 
towards Snape, I strongly believe that Harry should be the same size 
as Snape is first of all.
Whether it will teach Snape anything or not, I want him to taste his 
own medicine.

He chose from the victim to become a bully. I want him to stop the 
cycle of hate first, not Harry. Otherwise we must pay for our choices.

For the record, I believe that Harry will forgive him at the end. If 
Harry hurts Severus in the process (not physically, but emotionally, 
which hurts just the same in my opinion), I will not cry much.


To me, that is a true
> hero....anyone can dish out the same 'medicine' to another person--
it takes
> a much stronger, morally active person to succeed in learning not 
to give
> into that base desire. What you're suggesting is that Harry learns 
true,
> unadulterated hate for another being, and exercise in 
it....something
> Voldemort himself excels in.
>

Nope, I don't suggest at all for Harry to learn and exercise hate 
towards another human being, what I am suggesting , that he is 
entitled to smack Severus a couple of times, that is all. :o)

> No, because if he is truly  the *hero* of the book, I expect 
*Heroic*
> abilities from him, including being more grown up and mature than 
his
> nemesis, no matter whoo is older than whom. If he is the penultimate
> expression of good, courage, and heroism, than I expect more than a 
bit of
> petty revenge for hurt feelings out of him. His father made that
> mistake...and look at how it shaped several people's fates....
> 

OK. See despite the fact that Harry is the hero of the book, I don't 
expect of him more than I expect of adult. I don't expect him to know 
better than his adult teacher does. 

 
> That's truly, truly harsh and judgemental. People can be cruel and 
stupid,
> blind and horrid...but to expect Death to be the only resolve for 
them
> ignores the chance, no matter how slight, that they may find 
redemption (a
> theme that most of us on the list seem to agree Snape is about to 
one degree
> or another. Whether or not he manages it is an other issue 
entirely...). And
> I find that even more depressing than the 'bad guy' winning in the
> end--because then, the 'Lightside' itself has given into 
the 'Darkside's'
> moral values....

OK again. Yes, for some literary characters I expect the redemption 
can be found in death only. Whether Snape is one of them for sure, I 
will tell you after book 6 come out.

What IS depressing for me is that I expected something to change for 
better after GoF. I LOVED Snape showing his dark mark to Fudge. I 
expected him to realise that Harry is NOT James. He saw what this 
child went through. He knows what burden is on the boy's shoulders. 
He still does not hcange.


Whether you find it harsh and judgemental or not, if we find out that 
Snape's behaviour towards Harry and other Gryffs was not an act, yes, 
I believe that the only way he could be truly redeemed is to die in   
the process of saving Harry.

Alla