[HPforGrownups] Re: Ship predictions(scenarios)

[Erika L.]

No: HPFGUIDX 90679

Irene wrote:
>AND...WHAT DOES JKR SAY ABOUT IT?

>I never supported a specific shipper, but after reading JKR 
>interviews, I think it is pretty clear that H/H is no go 100%, just 
>read what she says about it in different interviews:

>Dateline NBC
>June 20, 2003
>Couric: "Any snogging (kissing) with Hermione?"
>Rowling: (slight frown) "Hermione and Harry! Do you think so?"
>Couric: "No I'm kidding. 
>Rowling: "Ron and Hermione, I would say, have more potential


Jim Ferer:
>The actual transcript reads,

>Couric: "Any snogging with Hermione?"
>Rowling: "Hermione and Harry?! Do you think so?"
>Couric: "No I'm kidding. 
>Rowling: "Ron and Hermione, I would say, have more tension there."

>This is classic JKR mischief from the Knight Grand Commander of the 
>Order of the Red Herring. I think the difference is significant. 
>Tension? What kind?


Erika (Wolfraven):

    That's is how I read it. Rowling likes toying with people. She won't lie, but she won't flat out tell you what's going on either. Yes there's tension between Ron and Hermione. That's obvious; it tells us absolutely nothing new. Does that mean Hermione returns Ron's feelings? No. Could it? Well yes, of course it could, but it doesn't have to. I know I could be wrong, that maybe I'm just trying to see what I want to see when I read at Rowling's interviews, but I think it's premature to draw any conclusions to say that a ship is "no go 100%". I don't think anything is certain at this point and I'm wary of taking anything Rowling says at face value.

Irene:
>Sunday Gazette-Mail
>14 November 1999
>(Question) On whether Harry and his >friend Hermione will have a date when >they get older: >"No, but I won't >answer for anyone else - nudge, nudge, >wink, wink."

Can you say Harry/Cho?

Irene:
>JKR: *looking through questions* No, don't like that one. Oh, I like 
>this one. do Harry and Hermione have a date? [laughter] No. They are -
>they're very platonic friends. But I won't answer for anyone else, 
>nudge, nudge, wink, wink. [laughter and >sound of kids going "Aaah!"]


Jim Ferer reponded:
>This interview is from 1999, before GoF, and I believe it reflects 
>the state of things at that time in the story.



Again, I think the date is meant to hint at Harry/Cho rather than R/H. As for the platonic comment, I agree with Jim Ferer that it reflects the state of things at that point in the series. Certainly Harry and Hermione are quite platonic... at the moment. That doesn't mean it will remain so till the end of book seven. After all, why should Rowling give away her intended ships when she hardly gives us more than crumbs about anything else that might happen in future books?

Irene again:
>Who am I to contradict JKR? It seems >that R/H is a more plausible  scenario. >I think she is very explicit and clear >about Harry and Hermione being "quite >platonic."

Explicit? Well about this quote, also from JKR:

June 19, 2003 interview with Jeremy Paxman (Newsnight/BBC ):

JP: Unlikely pairings? Not Hermione and Draco Malfoy or anything like that? 

JKR: I don't really want to say as it will ruin all the fan sites. They have such fun with their theories - and it is fun, it is fun. And some of them even get quite close.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/newsnight/3004594.stm

    Here's she's not willing to even debunk something like D/H which I consider very unlikely in canon. She says she doesn't want to say. So how can anything she's said in other interviews be considered anything but hinting or toying with her audience? For me to accept a JKR interview comment as sinking the H/H ship, it would have to be clear and utterly unambiguous. Thus far I've never read a comment of hers that was without loopholes, ambiguity or that wasn't limited to a particular book. Yeah, I could be being stubborn, I just think it's premature to say she's sunk any ships when, in the abovementioned interview, she says that she has no intention of doing so.


>I am more for H/G, it's a gut feeling. Although there is no clear indication, there are >hints, like the twins talking to Harry about how powerful she is, and the way she is not >intimidated by Harry's worst tantrums. If they don't end up together, they are going to share >a very strong friendship and Harry is going to 
>admire her for her courage and power.

    That's very much how I feel about H/H. I can use canon for my arguments, but for me it all started with a "gut feeling". I, too, see hints of my ship throughout the series. As for Hermione, I think she too is a formidable character. She is clearly talented with magic, though in different areas than Harry perhaps. She has the courage to stand for what she believes in and is willing to stand up to her friends if she has to. As for being able to deal with Harry's tantrums, she weathered her fair share in OoP. For example, when she tells Harry to stop jumping down their throat and he actually apologises, which isn't something he does often in OoP (201 UK). And as for friendship, I'd say Harry and Hermione already have a solid friendship. As for Ginny I will say that I was glad to finally see her get over her crush on Harry, but I'd have to see a lot more develop between them for me to see their ship as realistic. One of the things I really like about Hermione is that she never treated Harry as a celebrity; she never treated his as "the boy who lived", but just as Harry. It would take some doing on Rowling part to convince me that Ginny really knows Harry as Harry.

Best,
Erika (Wolfraven)

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