The Second Voldemort War, Stage II

[lizvega2]

No: HPFGUIDX 91140

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "Steve" <bboy_mn at y...> wrote:
> --- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, gsanderson at c... wrote:
> > --- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "lizvega2" <lizvega2 at y...> 
> > wrote:
> > > 
> > > LizVega here:
> > > 
> > > After reading OOP- and more importantly the chapter "The Lost 
> > > Prophecy" - I have wondered what Voldemort saw that no one is 
> > > aware  of yet. ...edited....
> >
> > LizVaga
> 
> 
> > Kristen:
> >
> > <De-lurk>
> > 
> > I don't have the section to quote, but it came from 
Dumbledore...the 
> > theory is that LV didn't realize Harry's connection to his mind
> > until Mr. Weasley's attack.  ...edited...
> > 
> > Kristen
> >
> 
> bboy_mn:
> 
> Harry insight and visions while awake don't occur until later in 
the
> book. So, for example, during the dementor attack in Little 
Whinging,
> Voldemort might have sense some vague emotions or felt some sense 
of
> fear that he couldn't explain, but I seriously doubt he had any 
vision
> unless he was asleep and dreaming at the time. Even then, I have my
> doubts that he saw anything, and if he did, I doubt that he would
> understand what it all meant. 
> 
> Later in the book, when the link is obviously stronger, and 
Voldemort
> is starting to comprehend what is going on, Voldemort may have been
> able to sense more of Harry's feeling, and might have had a 
stronger
> connection to him. But at no time do we really see Harry with a 
strong
> waking connection to Voldemort. As the book goes on, Harry can 
sense
> the nature of Voldemort's feelings (happy, sad, etc...) but they
> aren't visual. 
> 
> We have never seen Harry able to see into Voldemort's mind or sense
> his feelings at will. However, it is clear that once Voldemort
> understands what is going on, and is able to work the connection to
> his advantage, he is able to manipulate Harry's mind, but only when
> Harry is asleep.
> 
> As far as remote viewing through Harry's eye while they are both
> awake, there are some subtle hints that this might be occurring, as
> when Harry feel an angry snake welling up inside him when he looks 
at
> Dumbledore. However, this could just as easily be a case of Harry
> seeing Dumbledore and that feeling or thought of Dumbledore is
> transmitted to Voldemort. From Voldemort's perspective, it could 
just
> be a random thought of Dumbledore popping into his mind. This would
> bring up his intense hatred of Dumbledore and his desire to kill 
him.
> These feeling would in turn be transmitted back to Harry. 
> 
> That's just as logical an explanation, as thinking that Voldemort 
is
> awake and literally seeing Dumbledore through Harry's eyes. 
> 
> While we will have to wait for the book to prove me out, I think
> because Harry has the scar, he has the tightest connection; he is 
able
> to see more of Voldemort without effort. However, now that 
Voldemort
> is aware of the connection, even though his connection to Harry 
isn't
> the strongest of the two, Voldemort is gifted at 'reading' people's
> minds. So, whereas Harry's connection works off of instinct; 
Voldemort
> could increase the effectiveness of his own connection through the
> focused effort of Legilimency.
> 
> Either way, it's not like watching TV for either of them, it either
> takes a vulnerable state of mind, or a forced concentrated effort. 
And
>  now that they are both aware of the connection and it's 
potential, I
> think they are both going to be blocking their minds against the
> other. By blocking Harry out of his mind, Voldemort by default, 
also
> closes the link to Harry. In a sense, when he prevents Harry from
> getting in, he is also preventing himself from getting out.
> 
> Just a few thoughts.
> 
> bboy_mn

LizVega:

Excellent points! And, I just had to add another, might not be 
excellent, but it's a point... Harry senses LV's emotions when he's 
awake. LV can plant visions into Harry's mind when he is asleep. So, 
does LV have dreams about Harry? Everyone has posted that LV didn't 
become aware of the connection until the attack on Mr. Weasley. But, 
what if he was having dreams and didn't understand them until then 
either, just like Harry and the Dept. of Mysteries. Would he have 
told anyone, like Snape or the DE's that he was having dreams about 
certain things in Harry's life. Would he have been Harry in the 
dreams? I believe Snape's version of things, like that he had just 
been informed that LV was aware of the connection. But, if Harry was 
having dreams months before this, is it because LV was having 
dreams, and Harry was seeing those? Or, did LV already know about 
the connection and was planting the info. in Harry's head?