[HPforGrownups] Re: PoA Plot does not work.

[silmariel]

No: HPFGUIDX 91247


> silmariel:
> She's only using a timeline, but I don't agree that implies by default that
> two Harry's had *always* been there.  Determinism is not a necessity for PoA
> to be explained. As a reference, 'The End of Eternity' by Asimov plays with
> a unique timeline being rewrited multiple times.

> Sherrie replied:
> But as Heinlein points out, that doesn't change the original timeline - it
> merely creates an *alternate* timeline, which branches from the original at 
a given crux.  (See NUMBER OF THE BEAST and THE CAT WHO WALKED THROUGH
> WALLS, among others.)

So what? Heinlein plays with multiple, Asimov in TEoE with one. That does not 
mean that any author has to use Heinlein's theories. I've read those two 
ones, I'll include 'Time Enough for Love' and 'Job: a comedy of Justice'.

However, the characters from 'All You Zombies' only know a timeline, and they 
can't escape from it.

> The trouble is in perception - because we read the incident twice, we think
> of it as having occurred twice, when really, there was only one unique
> incident, which we are seeing from two different points of Harryvision. 

I know, really, I don't see the PoA timeline trough Harry's eyes

> Harry was there twice, yes - but it only *happened* once, and the presence 
of  both sets of H&H was necessary for it TO happen.  

That's a way of seeing it. Other is that it happened an undeterminated number 
of times but we are told only what Harry remembers, the last rewrite of the 
timeline.

For further disscusions, I'd point you to my posts on timelines (a few months 
ago). By that time, Talisman wrote a clarifying post called 'Time and the 
Uber-Kitchen' and Steve explained how Hermione aged.

I wish I could provide you with post numbers. If you can't find them, I'll do 
it when I have time. Right know I'm awfully busy.

> (For a story showing this
> a bit more clearly, I guess, try Harlan Ellison's "One Life, Furnished In
> Early Poverty".)

Ok, I'll try. What about Fritz Leiber? I love his treatment of time.

silmariel