Vampire/Half Vampire/Schvampire -was all the other vampire Snape stuff

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No: HPFGUIDX 88445

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "junediamanti" 
<june.diamanti at b...> wrote:

> 
> No - not old fairly standard I think.  

"K"
There's standard folklore of vampires who walk in the daylight and 
those who fry in the sun.

 
> June:
> Try european folklore, try English literary mythpool, eg Stoker, 
> Byron et al.  All fairly central about the no daylight idea. 

"K"
Not really true. 
~~Traditionally, sunlight was not thought to kill vampires. In 
medieval times, vampires were thought to be able to walk around just 
as easily as humans during daylight. As literary vampirism increased, 
so did the vampire's aversion to sunlight. In Dracula, Van Helsing 
notes that the vampire can walk around by day, although he is not as 
strong. However, modern film and novels have increasingly shown 
vampires as vulnerable to sunlight, perhaps even mortally so.~~

June:
 How 
> many other traditions are there?  And what traditions are you 
> holding up for inspection?  Which vampire tradition has daywalking 
> Vampires?  Do tell.

"K"
European, worldwide, movies, literature. The usual.
 

> 
> June:
  
> Tweaking the conventions is one thing, chucking them all out of the 
> window is quite another.

"K"
She can tweak a werewolf but not a vampire? How about a wizard and a 
giant having a half-giant. Now that's tweaking!

June:
> If this is a vampire walking around in 
> daytime, without problems, let's be honest and call him something 
> different entirely.

"K"
Like a Daywalker? Or a vampire?

June:
 I've seen the crosses 
> and garlic debunked, not the daytime.  Obviously in pursuit of 
> support to your theory you will say that "the daylight thing 
doesn't 
> matter" - bad news - to me and the rest of us anti-Vampire!Snape - 
> it most certainly does.

"K"
JKR can make a potion for a werewolf but she can't make one for a 
half-vampire or a full vampire?

June:
> Okay - tinkered in that respect.  He still has most of the symptoms 
> though.  He still becomes a wolf at full moon.  He takes on the 
> appearance and behaviour of a wolf.  Full scale tinkering would 
> enable him to sprout wings and fly, perhaps, or still speak fluent 
> english whilst transformed.  The potion is a comparatively new 
> development.

"K"
Why can't Snape being hiding those things with a potion or something 
else?

June: 
  
> Snape doesn't have problems fitting in because he's a vampire, he 
> has problems fitting in because of his personality.  

"K"

Says who? That's just a theory. Nor am I trying to excuse all of 
Snape's actions on vampirism.

June:
> If he is a vampire (and he isn't - just forget it Vampire!Snape 
> fans) - he's certainly not going to be a LITTLE vampire.  If I must 
> accept Vampire!Snape - it'd sure better be BigVampire!Snape.


"K"
Who says Snape would be a LITTLE vampire. Surely you don't think 
being a half-vampire would make him a LITTLE vampire? If he was born 
that way then he would be a Dhampir and they are anything but little 
vampires 
 
June:
> 
> Not to cover anything.  Red herrings do not have to exist to cover 
> other things.  It's just a "let people suspect he is a vampire" 
> thing, if they want.

"K"

Now that would be a cheap trick. It's one thing to give a red herring 
to take our mind away from something important. It's another thing to 
give us hints just to fool the reader about nothing. 


June:

> b.  Tearing up the whole vampire canon just to make him one? 

"K"
Again, who says she is doing that? As others have said, it's not so 
much readers wanting a vampire and trying to make Snape one. It's a 
matter of the clues pointing to Snape.

June:
  I think making Snape a vampire 
> would be an act of desperation by JKR.  Far harder to write a 
> tortured and damaged man. 


"K"
I just don't understand why a tortured and damaged man can't be a 
vampire. Are there no tortured and damaged werewolves, fairies, 
giants, veelas, and so on? 

June: 
 And perhaps 
> you believe the Death Eaters just get together to play darts in the 
> appropriate Knockturn Alley pub? 

Where did that come from???

June:
 Perhaps he is a keen killer, 
> rapist and pillager.  Psychotic nutter is good enough for me.


"K"
He could be. I would cease to like him if he were.

June:
 >I 
> found Hannibal Lecter a thoroughly engrossing character -he was 
> psychotic nutter enough and smart too.  Characters do not have to 
be 
> fluffy to be entertaining.

lol  Since when are vampires fluffy? We do differ. I didn't find 
Hannibal Lecter engrossing or intertaining.
  

June: 
> Oooh.  None of these were original you know - I can direct anyone 
to 
> the appropriate bit of traditional folklore for these characters.  
> She didn't make any of them up.  Sure she tweaked some of the 
> characteristics. And by the way, all the merpeople still live in 
the 
> water.  

"K"
It doesn't matter if she made them up or not. What I'm saying is why 
can we have a story with loads of different creatures but heaven 
forbid if the vampire made an appearance.

June:
>I said that I preferred this central character to be 
> human - we all have hopes for the story.  Its a very long way from 
> that assertion to implying I am saying JKR should only write 
kitchen 
> sink drama.

"K"

We do all have hopes for the story. Yet IMO having Snape half-vampire 
wouldn't take away from his human side at all.
 
  

> > "K"
> > I guess I must get my vampire essay together.

June:
> Do.  Not that I'll buy any of it!!!
> 

Oh, I'm not asking you to. Just as I'm not buying that he isn't.

"K"