Vampire/Half Vampire/Schvampire -was all the other vampire Snape stuff

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No: HPFGUIDX 88469

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "junediamanti" 
<june.diamanti at b...> wrote:
> June:
> Oh, I see, Snape is a MEDIAEVAL VAMPIRE.  Well that certainly 
> explains the costume, I suppose.  
> 
> I suspect you are moving the goalposts each time you consider the 
> idea.  

"K"
How did I do that? I could if I wanted. For instance, the Albanian 
vampire wears high heels. I'll have to see if I can figure out a way 
to connect that with Voldemort. Have we ever seen his feet? Have we 
ever looked in Snape's closet?

June:
> Lets stick to the central eastern european vampire lore,

"K"
I was.


June:
> 1.  Blood drinking.  No canon evidence for his doing this at any 
> time. 

"K"

Honestly. Do you really expect JKR to show us that? Especially when 
it needs to be kept secret?

June:

>No listless pallid students - except as normal listless and 
> pallid teenagers.  The difference between teenagers and vampire 
> victims?  Very hard to call this one, I should know as mother of a 
> teenager.

"K"
Fantasy. Not real teenage life.

June:
>Oh and spare me mention of the blood lollipops.

"K"
Why? It's in the books.

 
2.  Eating and drinking.  

"K"

I won't bother with the rest. Been through it all before.

June:
>Oh, but wait, of course you are going to tell me that the Vampire 
>Potion is what is enabling Snape to function!  Well if you persist 
>in invention as opposed to sifting canon evidence, what can I say? 
>I'll stick to canon, ta.

"K"
It's a theory. Just one theory. Maybe we see Lupin taking a potion to 
show us that indeed it is possible to control certain traits. That is 
canon. 
 
 
> June:
> Yes it is tweaking, whereas presenting a vampire controlled by 
> potion who can walk around in daylight - that's throwing convention 
> out of the window. 

"K"
Sorry. Don't agree. 

June: 
> My point is that there would be NO point to such a plot line.

"K"
Oh I think there is. JKR has a way of holding out the most important 
stuff for last. We actually know so little of Snape, Riddle, Lily, or 
James, to name a few. And of vampires. Why oh why has she not shown 
them to us?

> June:
> Nope - his personality - that is canon.  As exemplified by the 
> Penseive scene, Sirius Black's remarks about "greasy 
> oddballs" "Snivellus" etc, etc ad nauseam. 

"K"
Yes. His personality is canon. But what exactly made him that way? 


> June:
> Please read my irony for meaning and context.  What has Dhampir got 
> to do with this?  Why should that make anything little or big.  
> Personally I don't particularly care if Dhampirs are 50 foot tall 
> and have 180 foot wingspans like the Eagles in the Silmarillion 
> (irony),  or if they are in fact small enough to place in your 
> jacket pocket without spoiling its line (more irony).  And anyway 
> the term little vampire was yours.  

"K"

I love reading the views of others on this board. Even those I don't 
agree with. One thing I try to do is keep an open mind. I'm quite 
aware many of my theories will be proved wrong. But, I try my best 
not to be rude. (Yeah, I have failed at times). I won't bother 
answering the above.

> June:
> Cheap trick?  Because it doesn't suit what you the reader wants to 
> happen?

"K"

It doesn't have anything to do with what I want. Personally, it would 
be great to see Snape as some type of vampire but I sure won't lose 
any sleep over it if he isn't. 

June:
It's not 
> a cheap trick if the (very slender to non-existent) evidence of 
> Snape being a vampire - sweeping around in a cloak and that's it 
> really - 

"K"
Did you ever read Pippin's theory? 

June: 
> Anyway, it is fooling the reader about something - to make them 
> think that Snape is a vampire, when he isn't. 

"K"
JKR is a better writer than that.

> 
> June:
> Please try to recognise my irony.  I admit it is a fault I have,  
> and I am taking lessons in saying nice things each day,  to address 
> it. 

"K"
No comment. 


> 
> June:
> Well it matters to this discussion because on the one hand you are 
> trying to make an argument for Vampire!Snape yet producing props to 
> your theory that are not supported by canon, either in the HP 
> universe, or by canon in the folklore you are arguing.

"K"

I try to use canon only. If it isn't canon I state so. Actually, in 
my posts as of today, I have not given very many arguments why I 
think Snape is a vampire or half-vampire. 


June:
> Essentially, you are saying Snape is a Vampire though he does not 
> follow any of the traditional rules that govern vampire behaviour, 
> while equally providing a safety net for your theory - the "Vampire 
> Potion" that means you can throw away all the rules.  Here in the 
UK 
> we call that "Having your cake and eating it" ;-)

"K"
Oh no June. I'm not saying that Snape doesn't follow the so-called 
traditional vampire at all. I'm saying you just don't see most of it, 
but if you are willing to look close enough you will find hints. 

We will just have to disagree on the potion theory. It's only a 
theory and that is what we do here, isn't it? After all, it's not as 
if I originally came up with the idea of potions being able to do 
many different things. JKR did that.


>June:
> However, I can live with the following:
> 
> He went along to watch the murders at Godrics Hollow for nastiness 
> and kicks, he has been a double double agent for LV all along, and 
> his final murder of Harry is only averted by luck, or Harry's 
> superior gifts. 
> 
> As long as he sounds good doing it. 

"K"
All of that is possible. I hope it's not. I don't like evil people. 

> 
> June
> Who earlier swore she would not get into the Vampire!Snape debate, 
> because she was above that sort of thing.  The road to hell...

"K"

No, no, no! The road to hell is the Lily/Snape theory. I stay off 
that awful road for the most part. <G>